Living the Fast Life: Work, Family, and HairClub

Living the Fast Life: Work, Family, and HairClub

Episode 61

Living the Fast Life: Work, Family, and HairClub

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This week on HairPod, Kevin Ralston sits down with three-time NASCAR Cup Series champion Joey Logano for a high-energy conversation about racing, family, and confidence—on and off the track.

Racing to the Top

Joey shares what it feels like to cross that championship finish line and why those 15 minutes after a big win are truly indescribable. He explains the unique adrenaline rush of professional sports, where everything comes down to a single moment, and reflects on how the current NASCAR playoff system intensifies the excitement for both drivers and fans.

Evolving With the Sport

NASCAR is always changing, and Joey talks candidly about officiating challenges, adapting to new race formats, and the balance between staying true to NASCAR’s American roots while exploring global opportunities. He also opens up about strategies behind his success at tracks like Las Vegas, revealing why certain circuits bring out his best performances.

Confidence and HairClub

Off the track, Joey is just as passionate about looking and feeling his best. He speaks openly about his hair restoration journey, how working with HairClub has boosted his confidence for media appearances and TV work, and why he wants others to feel empowered to address their own insecurities. Joey’s advice: if you can fix something that bothers you, don’t be afraid to take action.

Balancing Fame and Family

When he’s not chasing the checkered flag, Joey is focused on being present for his wife and three young kids. He gives listeners a peek into off-season life—think four-wheelers, building trails, and plenty of outdoor fun. The Loganos’ family vacations? Non-stop action from sunrise to bedtime!

Giving Fans the Inside Track

Joey also shares highlights from the recent HairClub VIP Fan Experience at Daytona, which gave lucky fans exclusive behind-the-scenes access, garage tours, and race-day thrills—experiences that connect fans even more deeply with the sport.

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Fitness, Supplements, and Hair Loss: What You Need to Know

Fitness, Supplements, and Hair Loss: What You Need to Know

Episode 60

Fitness, Supplements, and Hair Loss: What You Need to Know

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It’s springtime, which means many of us are feeling fired up and ready to get fit. But could your fitness regimen actually be causing your hair loss? This week on HairPod, we’re talking about how fitness supplements, testosterone treatments, and the stress of working out affect hair growth.

Testosterone Treatments and Hair Loss

When I hit a plateau in the gym, I got my hormone levels tested and found out I had low testosterone. Starting hormone replacement therapy helped me build muscle quickly, but it also kicked off the fastest period of hair loss I’d ever seen. That’s because excess testosterone can convert into DHT, the hormone that is most connected with male pattern baldness. Even if you’re not taking testosterone directly, supplements like creatine or certain protein powders can affect your hormone levels. And if you’re going through extreme dieting or high-stress training, your body could respond with telogen effluvium, a temporary but noticeable form of hair shedding.

Hair Loss Solutions for Your Fitness Goals

The good news is, you don’t have to give up working out to protect your hair. I’ve learned that it’s all about balance and working with knowledgeable professionals to tailor your fitness regimen to your specific needs. I do all of my hormone treatments under a doctor’s supervision, and talking with a hair expert, like someone at HairClub, can help you understand how your supplements might be affecting your hair health. There are also quality shampoos and serums that can reduce the effects of DHT and support scalp health, which becomes even more important if you’re showering more often because of workouts.

Healthy Choices for Your Hairline

If you’re like me, you want to feel good and still keep your hair looking great. That means making the right choices for your body and being mindful of how you treat it. Choosing clean, well-balanced supplements, fueling your body with real nutrients, and getting enough sleep and recovery time can make all the difference. And if you’re ever unsure whether your supplement stack could be part of the problem, talk to a professional you trust. HairClub has been one of those resources for me.

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Hair System Care Vs. Regular Hair Care

Hair System Care Vs. Regular Hair Care

Episode 59

Hair System Care Vs. Regular Hair Care

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In this episode of HairPod, I sit down with my incredible HairClub stylist, Rachel Rivera, to explore the similarities—and key differences—between caring for a hair system and natural hair. Spoiler alert: it’s not as different as you might think, but there are a few extra steps to keep your hair system looking its best.

How to Care for a Hair System

Hair systems that are made of real human hair can be washed and dried just like regular hair. But what are the best practices for hair of all kinds? Rachel breaks down what to look for (and what to avoid) in your shampoo and conditioner. Many store-bought products contain ingredients like sodium lauryl sulfate, which can strip away natural oils and harm both scalp health and hair longevity. She also shares why buzzwords like “biotin” don’t always mean a product will work—and how to recognize what’s real versus what’s just marketing.

Styling Hair to Prevent Hair Loss

Hair loss or thinning isn’t typically caused by what you use to style your hair, but some products are not doing you any favors. Rachel explains how hard-hold gels, crunchy sprays, and excessive product buildup can cause breakage, whether your hair is naturally growing or bonded. She shares tips on which styling products to avoid and how to remove buildup without damaging your strands or your system.

Scalp Care for Hair Loss

Scalp care is skin care, and taking care of your scalp can help encourage hair growth. From blow drying techniques to scalp health basics, Rachel shares insight into how scalp conditions like dandruff or psoriasis can impact hair loss and how to address those issues. We also talk about heat styling: how to use it safely, what tools to avoid, and how brushing and tension can lead to damage, especially for those wearing hair systems. The message is clear: personalization is key.

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Don’t Get Fooled by These Hair Loss Myths

Don’t Get Fooled by These Hair Loss Myths

Episode 58

Don’t Get Fooled by These Hair Loss Myths

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Stop wasting time and energy on solutions that don’t work! This April Fools’ Day episode of HairPod, Dr. Angie Phipps returns to help us sort fact from fiction. From the idea that hats make you go bald to the belief that topical treatments cause breakage, we dig into the most common hair loss myths and reveal what the science actually says.

Hair Styling and Hair Loss

Let’s talk about traction alopecia—a condition that’s often misunderstood or missed entirely. Dr. Phipps explains how repeated tension from tight styles like braids, ponytails, or extensions can gradually damage the hair follicles. But it’s not all bad news: we talk about how to recognize early signs and what you can do to protect your hair if you’ve been relying on tight styles for years.

Shampoo Ingredients to Help Hair Growth

If you’re trying to grow your hair long, taking care of the hair shaft is just as important as treating the scalp. Dr. Phipps shares tips for minimizing breakage and why gentle care matters. We also talk about how the wrong shampoo can do more harm than good. Harsh ingredients lurking in everyday products can contribute to dryness, breakage, and irritation, and knowing what to avoid is key.

Hair Health Without Gimmicks

This episode is a reminder that hair loss isn’t something to be ashamed of—but the solutions we choose matter. When we understand the causes and treatments, we’re better equipped to make decisions that work for our lifestyle, our budget, and our health. As Dr. Phipps says, there’s no miracle product that fixes everything—but with the right approach, there’s a path forward that makes sense.

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Environmental Factors that Could Be Causing Your Hair Loss

Environmental Factors that Could Be Causing Your Hair Loss

Episode 57

Environmental Factors That Could Be Causing Your Hair Loss

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If you’ve been battling hair loss and nothing seems to work, it might be time to look beyond the usual suspects. In this episode of HairPod, I welcome Dr. Emily Kiberd back to uncover a hidden factor many of us overlook: our environment. From mold exposure to gut infections, Dr. Kiberd explains how the world around us—and inside us—could be impacting our thyroid and, in turn, our hair health.

To learn more about how the thyroid can impact hair loss, check out our other episode with Dr. Kiberd:

Episode 048: Hair Loss and Hashimoto’s Disease.

Hair Loss and the Thyroid

The thyroid is a small but mighty gland that plays a significant role in nearly every system in the body, including hair growth. Symptoms like brain fog, fatigue, weight gain, and hair loss can be linked to thyroid dysfunction or autoimmune conditions like Hashimoto’s, but conditions like these can go undiagnosed for years. These conditions can be aggravated by difficult-to-detect factors that cause inflammation, such as mold, parasites, or internal infections.

Environmental Hair Loss Triggers

Hair loss can happen for a variety of reasons, and treating hair loss starts with understanding the root cause. Environmental stressors—like water-damaged homes, poor air quality, and even everyday chemicals—can disrupt your hormones and trigger hair loss. Dr. Kiberd shares real-life cases of patients suffering from hair loss due to mold exposure and parasitic infections, showing just how important it is to consider the bigger picture when searching for answers.

Get Tested for Thyroid Issues

Dr. Kiberd explains that working with a medical professional can lead to quicker and more accurate results when you begin your health journey. Testing for thyroid issues, gut health, and environmental toxins can give you concrete answers, though it is often up to patients to ensure that their doctors are asking the right questions.

Hair Loss Solutions Start with Self Care

Hair loss isn’t just about hair—it’s about how we feel in our own skin. Dr. Kiberd encourages listeners to prioritize sleep, nutrition, and awareness of environmental factors. Feeling better in your body is the first step to looking better, and that includes healthier, stronger hair. Whether you’re just starting your hair journey or have tried everything else, this episode offers practical, actionable advice that can help you take control of your health and your hair.

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Hair Loss in Hollywood

Hair Loss in Hollywood

Episode 56

Hair Loss in Hollywood

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In this episode of HairPod, I sat down with HairClub model Tyler Morehead to talk about his hair loss journey, which started back in his early 20s when he was getting his start in Hollywood. From the tricks of the trade to finding the hair loss solution he plans to use for the rest of his life, this episode has it all!

Hair Loss in His Early 20s

Male pattern hair loss can begin earlier than you might think – in Tyler’s case, his hair loss began in his early 20s, right as he began to pursue his dreams in Hollywood. Like any aspiring actor, Tyler went to plenty of auditions, and seeing the other young actors show up with their perfect hair was tough on his confidence. Tyler still landed amazing roles in commercials and on soap operas like Days of Our Lives, and suddenly, his hairline was on display in front of the harsh camera lights. Even though his hair and makeup teams were able to help him look and feel his best, he knew that wasn’t a sustainable permanent solution.

Finding the Right Hair Loss Solution

Hair loss is a difficult experience for anyone to go through, and we all handle the emotions of it differently. As Tyler got older and his hair loss got more advanced, he knew the solutions he had used in the past were no longer going to give him the effect he wanted. Over time, he became numb to the emotional impacts of his hair loss. He was in search of a permanent solution and a way forward, and decided to shave his head. Because he had become so desensitized to his emotions, he didn’t notice how shaving his head had affected him emotionally, but during a phone call, his mother noticed that something wasn’t quite right.

Hair Systems – Tyler’s Permanent Solution

Trying a new hair loss solution can be difficult. Tyler didn’t know what to expect when he first reached out to HairClub, but he didn’t have anything to lose. When he tried on his first hair system, he felt the magic. Upon seeing himself in the mirror with his system on for the first time, he finally felt like himself again, and the weight of the emotions of his hair loss was lifted. Now, Tyler has been using a hair system for many years, and as he ages and his beard grows a little bit more gray, the stylists at HairClub adjust his system to match. For Tyler, he foresees wearing a system for the rest of his life. He feels younger and more confident with hair.

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Women’s History of Hair Loss Solutions

Women’s History of Hair Loss Solutions

Episode 55

Women’s History of Hair Loss Solutions

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In honor of Women’s History Month, this week we’re focusing on the history of women’s hair loss treatments and solutions, from ancient times to cutting-edge modern-day solutions.

Women’s History of Hair Loss Treatments

Hair has always been tied to identity, beauty, and confidence, which is why hair loss in women hasn’t always been discussed openly. Ancient Egyptians used animal fats and oils in hopes of stimulating hair growth, while Roman women wore wigs often crafted from real human hair. Some of history’s so-called remedies were far from glamorous—Cleopatra’s hair loss treatment reportedly included bear grease and ground horse teeth. Even into the early 20th century, women had few options beyond hairpieces and home remedies. It wasn’t until more recent decades that medical advancements paved the way for effective treatments tailored to women’s hair loss.

Causes of Women’s Hair Loss

Hair loss in women often differs from men’s hair loss in a few key ways. Instead of receding hairlines around the forehead and temples or crown, women’s hair loss typically manifests as diffuse thinning, widening part lines, and decreased volume. The causes can vary—hormonal changes due to pregnancy, menopause, or PCOS can trigger noticeable shedding. Nutritional deficiencies, such as low iron or vitamin D, can weaken hair, while stress and autoimmune disorders may contribute to excessive hair loss. Genetic factors also play a role, as female pattern hair loss tends to develop gradually over time. The good news is that understanding the cause is the first step toward finding the right hair loss solution.

Science-Backed Hair Loss Solutions for Women

Today’s treatments offer real hope for women experiencing hair loss. Minoxidil remains the only FDA-approved topical treatment for female hair loss, helping extend the hair’s growth phase for thicker, healthier strands. Oral medications like spironolactone can help balance hormones for those whose hair loss is driven by excess androgens. Low-level laser therapy (LLLT) is another promising option, using light to stimulate hair follicles and improve scalp circulation. PRP therapy, which involves injecting platelet-rich plasma into the scalp, has gained popularity for its potential to encourage regrowth. For those seeking instant confidence, hair systems and toppers provide a natural-looking, long-term solution. Innovations like Xtrands from HairClub seamlessly integrate additional strands into existing hair, offering an immediate volume boost.

Finding the Right Solution for You

If you’re struggling with women’s hair loss, you’re not alone. Over 50% of women will experience some degree of hair thinning in their lifetime, but there are more options than ever before. Whether it’s a medical treatment, a cosmetic solution, or a combination of both, the best approach depends on the cause of your hair loss and what fits your lifestyle. To hear firsthand stories from women who have found success, check out our past episodes featuring Meg Weatherman and Carol Combs (links below). No matter where you are on your hair journey, solutions exist—and there’s hope.

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Episode.55 Transcript

Kevin Rolston [00:00:02]
If you’re experiencing hair loss, the most important thing we want you to know is that you’re not alone and that there are answers out there. The first step is to understand what’s causing your hair loss, and the next is to look at the options that are going to be right for your lifestyle and budget. Whether it’s a topical solution, a professional treatment, or just the reassurance that you’re not the only one going through this, there’s hope.

Kevin Rolston [00:00:38]
Welcome to HairPod, the podcast where we talk about all things hair loss. I’m your host, Kevin Rolston, and this week, we’re celebrating Women’s History Month by taking a look at the evolution of hair loss solutions for women and the most effective solutions that are on the market right now. Maybe you’ve been noticing a little bit more hair coming out in the shower or some whitening around your part.

Kevin Rolston [00:01:00]
Maybe your hair tie or scrunchie is starting to feel looser than it used to when you put your hair up at a ponytail, or maybe you’re not sure if you’re experiencing hair loss, but you want to make sure that you’re doing everything you can to keep your hair healthy and strong. Studies show that over 50% of women will experience some hair thinning over the course of their lives. So the first and most important thing to remember is that you’re not the only one going through this.

Kevin Rolston [00:01:25]
And I think the second most important thing is to know is that there are so many different ways to handle your hair loss that can make a big difference in how you look and feel. The rest of today’s episode is all about understanding the journey of women’s hair loss, how it’s been perceived throughout history, what causes it, and most importantly, how far our current hair loss solutions have come. For as long as humans have cared about their appearance, hair has been a symbol of beauty, health, and identity, especially for women.

Kevin Rolston [00:01:55]
And because of that, hair loss has historically been a sensitive subject often swept under the rug. Ancient Egyptian women used castor oil and animal fats to keep their hair thick and strong, believing that certain oils had special growth properties. In ancient Rome, women wore elaborate wigs made from real human hair.

Kevin Rolston [00:02:14]
According to the UK Institute of Trichologists, Cleopatra’s personal hair loss remedy was a pretty horrifying concoction that included ground-up horse teeth and bear grease, which besides being extremely gross, didn’t really work. It just goes to show that people have always been trying to solve the problem of hair loss and have been willing to do whatever it takes if they think it means getting their hair back. Fast forward to the early 20th century, and there still wasn’t much available in terms of medical solutions for women’s hair loss.

Kevin Rolston [00:02:47]
Hairpieces and home remedies dominated, but the idea of restoring hair loss wasn’t considered viable for women until fairly recently. Now, we’re in an era where medical science has caught up and women have access to real effective solutions. Hair loss in women doesn’t have to look the same as it does in men.

Kevin Rolston [00:03:10]
Instead of a receding hairline or bald spots, most women experience diffused thinning, where the hair gradually becomes finer, the part line widens, and overall volume decreases. This can happen for a lot of different reasons. Hormonal changes are a big one.

Kevin Rolston [00:03:27]
Pregnancy, menopause, and conditions like PCOS can all cause noticeable thinning. Nutritional deficiencies, like how iron or vitamin D can weaken the hair. Stress and autoimmune disorders can also trigger sudden or excessive shedding.

Kevin Rolston [00:03:41]
And then there’s genetics. Female pattern hair loss and androgenetic alopecia is hereditary and tends to progress gradually over time. But here’s the good news.

Kevin Rolston [00:03:52]
Hair loss is no longer a life sentence. There are real science-backed solutions for women who want to slow, stop, or even reverse thinning hair. One of the most well-known treatments is minoxidil.

Kevin Rolston [00:04:03]
It’s the only FDA-approved topical treatment for female hair loss. Every hair follicle on your head goes through a cycle where it grows hair, then rests, then sheds. Minoxidil works by extending the hair’s growth phase so that more hair follicles are staying active for longer.

Kevin Rolston [00:04:21]
It doesn’t give instant results, but with consistent use, many women see a noticeable difference over several months. Minoxidil is available over the counter in both liquid and foam forms, and it’s easy to integrate into your daily routine. For some women, oral medications that help balance hormones can make a difference.

Kevin Rolston [00:04:39]
Spironolactone is a prescription medication that blocks androgens, which are the male hormones that can contribute to hair thinning in women with hormonal imbalances. This medication isn’t for everyone. So if you’re concerned that you might fit into this category, it’s important to talk to your doctor and see if you’re a candidate.

Kevin Rolston [00:04:57]
Part of healthy hair growth is the gentle stimulation of hair follicles. Maybe you’ve heard of laser hair removal, but low-level laser therapy, or LLLT, can actually help improve your hair growth and health. This treatment uses low-intensity light to stimulate hair follicles and improve blood circulation to the scalp.

Kevin Rolston [00:05:16]
It’s noninvasive and completely painless, and there are laser caps and combs available for at-home use. The results aren’t instant, and it requires consistent use over time, but some studies suggest it can help slow hair thinning and encourage new growth. Another emerging treatment is platelet-rich plasma therapy, or PRP.

Kevin Rolston [00:05:41]
This is a procedure where a doctor takes a small sample of your own blood, processes it to extract platelet-rich plasma, and then injects it into the scalp. The idea is that platelets contain growth factors that can stimulate hair follicles. PRP therapy has gained popularity in recent years and has shown promise for some women experiencing thinning hair.

Kevin Rolston [00:06:02]
However, it does require multiple sessions and results can vary. For women who want something to improve their confidence while they’re using these products, or just like the feeling of instant gratification, there are products like Xtrands from HairClub, which involve adding hundreds, if not thousands, of hairs to your existing hairs. Before threading these hairs in one by one, an expert stylist takes the time to match your hair color and texture so that the new hairs blend in seamlessly.

Kevin Rolston [00:06:32]
And then once they’re in, they truly become your hair. You can wash, shampoo, and style all of your hair just like you normally would. And of course, there are hair systems and toppers.

Kevin Rolston [00:06:43]
Today’s options are nothing like the heavy, unnatural-looking wigs of the past. High-quality hair systems are made with real human hair and breathable caps that allow for a realistic and comfortable fit. And the use of medical-grade adhesives will keep your hair system attached no matter what.

Kevin Rolston [00:07:01]
Many women who have advanced hair loss due to conditions like alopecia universalis or hair loss due to chemotherapy will embrace these options as permanent solutions. And if you wanna hear some stories about women who have found a way to navigate their hair loss and use the latest and greatest technology to look and feel like themselves again, check out our episode with Meg Weatherman and her experience dealing with trichotillomania, or Carol Combs, who found a hair loss solution after getting through chemo. You can find a link to these episodes in our show notes.

Kevin Rolston [00:07:32]
If you’re experiencing hair loss, the most important thing we want you to know is that you’re not alone and that there are answers out there. The first step is to understand what’s causing your hair loss. And the next is to look at the options that are going to be right for your lifestyle and budget, whether it’s a topical solution, a professional treatment, or just the reassurance that you’re not the only one going through this.

Kevin Rolston [00:07:55]
There’s hope. Thank you for tuning in to this special Women’s History Month episode of HairPod. Check us out at HairClub on Instagram or search HairPod on Facebook to continue the conversation.

Kevin Rolston [00:08:10]
If you know someone who could benefit from hearing this episode, we would love it if you would share it with them. If you’re enjoying the show, consider leaving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. We also have a website.

Kevin Rolston [00:08:23]
Check it out by going to podcast.hairclub.com. We’re here to build people up and share real stories so people experiencing hair loss feel a little bit less alone. And when you share, review, and subscribe, it helps us do just that. So thank you. Until next time.

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How Menopause Contributes to Hair Loss

How Menopause Contributes to Hair Loss

Episode 54

How Menopause Contributes to Hair Loss

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Hair loss is a deeply personal and often emotional experience, especially when it happens unexpectedly. For many women, hair thinning begins during perimenopause or menopause, yet the topic remains widely overlooked. In this special Women’s History Month episode of HairPod, we sit down with Angela Fields, founder of a curly hair product line, to discuss her personal journey with hair thinning, her eventual diagnosis of CCCA alopecia, and the solutions she discovered. Angela’s experience sheds light on the challenges of hormonal hair loss and the steps women can take to reclaim both their hair and confidence.

How Vitamin Deficiencies and Hormones Affect Hair Loss

Angela first noticed her hair thinning in 2017 when her part began to widen, revealing more scalp than before. This early sign of hair loss led her to her doctor, where lab tests revealed she had a significant vitamin D deficiency—something she hadn’t previously considered. Vitamin D plays a crucial role in hair follicle health, and a deficiency can contribute to both hair loss and fatigue. Supplementing with vitamin D helped restore some of her hair’s fullness, but as she entered menopause, new challenges emerged. Her hair loss became more pronounced, leading her to seek the expertise of a dermatologist, who diagnosed her with CCCA alopecia, a condition that causes scarring of the scalp and makes regrowth more difficult.

Effective Hair Regrowth Treatments and Lifestyle Changes

Finding a treatment plan that worked required time, patience, and a comprehensive approach. Angela began by incorporating key supplements such as Nutrafol, folic acid, vitamin C, and iron to support hair regrowth. But supplementation alone wasn’t enough—because of the scarring caused by CCCA alopecia, her dermatologist recommended a series of scalp injections to break down scar tissue and allow new hair to push through. This process took months, but the results were encouraging.

Daily Habits for Hair Regrowth

Beyond medical treatments, Angela also adjusted her daily habits. She emphasizes the importance of maintaining a clean scalp by shampooing regularly, as product buildup and excess oil can contribute to hair thinning. She also warns against wearing tight or glued-in hairstyles, which can put stress on the hair follicles and lead to long-term damage. Managing stress is another key factor, as high cortisol levels can accelerate hair loss. Through exercise, proper sleep, and self-care, Angela found ways to support her overall well-being while working toward healthier hair.

Finding Support and Breaking the Stigma of Hair Loss

Hair loss can feel isolating, but Angela stresses that no one has to go through it alone. She encourages women to seek support through online communities, Facebook groups, and even local meetups dedicated to hair loss. Speaking with a knowledgeable dermatologist who understands different hair types and traditional styling methods is another crucial step in finding the right treatment.

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Episode.54 Transcript

Angela Fields [00:00:02]:

Reach out and find the groups on Facebook, there could be private groups where everyone in the group is dealing with hair loss. Join those groups, introduce yourself, start talking to the individuals. If you want a meetup group, go to the various sites where there are meetup groups to see if there’s a hair loss group right there in your own city. If you need to make that call to your dermatologist, make sure you can find a dermatologist that understands how you traditionally wear your hair so that they can best come up with the routine to treat you. 

 

Kevin Rolston [00:00:46]:

Welcome to HairPod, the podcast where you get to hear real people talk about their hair journeys. I’m your host, Kevin Rolston, and each week I get to interview people from different walks of life whose lives have been touched by hair loss in some form or fashion. Many of our guests have experienced hair loss themselves and found a way to get their confidence and their hair back. This episode is extra special because we are celebrating Women’s History Month and HairPod’s very first birthday. In our first year, we’ve made it our mission to break the stigma that surrounds hair loss by sharing powerful stories told by real people just like you. 

 

We’ve explored the science behind hair loss, the emotional impact it can have, and the solutions that help people feel like themselves again. We strive to tell stories that often go untold, and we hope that helps you feel a little bit less alone. Even though today’s topic impacts countless women, it isn’t talked about enough. 

 

Our guest, Angela Fields, is the founder of a curly hair product line. Her passion for holistic hair health comes from a personal place, as she has experienced hair loss herself. Through her own journey with thinning hair during pre-menopause and menopause, Angela Fields learned firsthand the challenges that come with hair loss, and now she uses her platform to educate and support women on their own hair journeys. 

 

Through her own journey with thinning hair during perimenopause and menopause, Angela Fields learned firsthand the challenges that come with hair loss, and now she uses her platform to educate and support women on their own hair journeys. Her experience with hair loss began as so many of ours do, looking into the mirror and seeing a little bit more scalp than she had before.

 

Angela Fields [00:02:33]:

A few years back in 2017, I was experiencing a widening part. 

 

So, you’re just seeing more scalp in between the hair, if you will. And so, that was in the pre-menopause, the perimenopause stage that I was experiencing. But it was also affected by I was exceptionally low in vitamin D after doing some type of lab work and working with my doctor. 

 

And so, supplementation really helped with bringing back the fullness of my hair at that time. How did you wind up getting diagnosed? How did you know that this might be a hair loss condition brought on by menopause? That is a very good question, because when I first noticed it, okay, I’m going to have to figure this out. But two weeks later, I was scheduled for my normal six-month evaluation with my primary care physician, and vitamin D is one of the standard things that she checked for in my labs every time I was coming in for a visit, at least at those six-month intervals.

 

And there was a huge drop-off in my vitamin D from the previous six-month visit when my labs were done and the vitamin D level was checked. I didn’t even really know that this was something she was doing all along, because my levels had been within range, so she hadn’t mentioned it to me. And when it showed up, she asked, and we started talking about fatigue.

 

We started talking about hair thinning and the widening of the part. And she said, absolutely. Both of those things could be hugely driven by vitamin D, even though at that point it was still pre-menopause. 

 

And so vitamin D supplementation, and it takes a while to really build your vitamin D levels up. And it’s not so easy as just going and spending time in the sun. We cannot get enough vitamin D from just laying around in the sun all day, even if we’re not wearing a sunscreen. 

 

So supplementation may definitely be needed. And so over time, that brought things back in line and the filling in of the hair again. And that was all you did, was just supplement with more vitamin D? Yes, with more vitamin D. Now, we also did some eye errand, but that was more because of the fatigue that I was experiencing as well. 

 

But yes, at that point, it was something as simple as getting my levels of vitamin D back up. So simply because you’re losing hair, it doesn’t have to be some complicated process to bring things back in line. We just have to evaluate what you’re experiencing. 

 

You know, what are your levels? It may involve some lab work. It may involve working with a doctor, but the solution could be very simple. And for me, that first time it was. 

 

Now, further into menopause, I was filming and I had leaned over to pick something off the floor to hold it in front of the camera. So now later I am editing the footage. And as I leaned over, I noticed I could see about a golf ball size area where I could see straight through my hair to my scalp. 

 

And so I’m seeing it on the video as I’m editing it. And it’s like, wow, OK, something’s wrong. So then visited the dermatologist and she started looking and was doing some things, checking some things, and she said, OK, so is you’re in menopause and that alone can cause hair thinning. 

 

But I also had a diagnosis of alopecia on top of just being in menopause and having the impact of the hormones. So that added a more it was more complicated. It was a more in-depth solution that was needed. 

 

And the type of alopecia that I had was known as CCCA. And this particular type of alopecia does cause scarring of the scalp, which can give you another hurdle that you have to cross over if you’re trying to address it or if you’re wanting to treat it to address it. And so that did involve some additional testing.

 

It did involve supplementation. So I started taking a variety of supplements, including Nutrafol as well as some additional vitamins, folic acid, vitamin D, vitamin C, as well was added into the routine and then specifically addressing the scarring. So this is the scar tissue is something that blocks the scalp. 

 

And even if you are growing hair still, it can’t push through the scalp because of the scar tissue. So this particular treatment did involve working with scalp injections. And so it was a combination of a steroid and a pain reliever that was injected into my scalp in the areas of the thinning. 

 

And so you do this once a month for six months, then you wait three months to see if you’re going to be able to regrow hair. Cause again, you don’t know what’s happening underneath the scar tissue. After I went back in at that three month interval after waiting, I was thrilled because I had hair pushing through my scalp. 

 

So it meant that I could regrow hair. It just wasn’t getting through because of the scar tissue.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:07:40]:

Can you tell me what triggers the alopecia? Is it a genetic condition? Is it stresses? What, what makes that come out in somebody? Could it be dormant in a lot of people listening right now?

 

Angela Fields [00:07:49]:

You know, that’s a very good question. 

 

And there are many kinds of alopecia. So there are many causes of alopecia. And so the treatments vary as well. 

 

Sometimes it can be genetic. Sometimes it can be different hairstyles that you’re wearing. If you’re wearing styles that are too tight and it’s pulling on the hair. 

 

So you’re literally pulling your hair out by its root by wearing the tight hairstyles. It could have been some type of trauma or injury. When I a teenager, I was falling back on a bed and overshot it and hit the corner of the nightstand and split my scalp open right in the crown and then had to go through stitches and everything.

 

Okay. It could have been trauma from that particular injury that long ago that I had quickly forgotten about. You know, it was later that I remembered that this had happened.

 

So it has a variety of causes. It can also be illnesses or treatments for illnesses that can cause different types of alopecia. Yeah. 

 

So an alopecia itself is just an umbrella term to mean hair loss. Now you’ve got to figure out which type and then what’s the best course of treatment for you.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:09:00]:

Now you talked about a timetable. You start off talking about the vitamin D. You talked about other things you did. Can you walk me through that timeline? If somebody’s right there right now saying, okay, I’m getting ready to get started on my own treatments. How long did it take for you to start seeing the regrowth and getting to a point where you felt confident about your hair again?

 

Angela Fields [00:09:20]:

Absolutely. 

 

So one of the immediate things that I did, my dermatologist wanted me to start taking the Nutrafol. And when I got to, one of the things that I do is whenever I go through my shampoo, however I’m going to style my hair, I accumulate all of the hair that may be in my detangling brush, detangling comb. I’m using a trap on the shower to keep the hair from going down the drain because I want to get a measure of how much hair I lost during the course of that wash day. 

 

And so I take a quick picture of it with my phone. So I have a time and date stamp record of the hair that came out in my detangling comb, detangling brush. And just as I’m going through that process and what the intent is, is have something that can be compared over time. 

 

And so you know that you can make adjustments to it. So after I hit three months, that was a huge interval. The amount of hair that I was losing just from going through that wash day was cut in half. 

 

And so it’s not, by taking this picture, it’s factual. It’s non-emotional. You don’t have to think or wonder. 

 

You can just line up the pictures. And my shampoo volume was cut in half when I got to three months just from the Nutrafol. And then after we started seeing that I could indeed regrow hair, that’s where we added in some additional vitamins and supplements to the mix. 

 

So that was the first indication, that three months. And then with the injections that I was doing, after nine months after the start of those injections is where baby hairs were coming up through the scalp. And so I still see my dermatologist every three months. 

 

And we always take pictures of my hair, of the scalp. And when I look at where I was in October of 2022, when that diagnosis of alopecia came to where I am today, it is a huge difference. 

 

Kevin Rolston [00:11:16]:

Angela’s diligence and patience paid off. 

 

Once she learned some of the underlying causes of her hair loss, her treatment plan helped her improve her hair health and her hair growth followed. But as Angela said, hair regrowth can take a while. Looking back on her experience, there are a few things that Angela wishes she had known from the beginning.

 

Angela Fields [00:11:41]:

What I would do differently is I would have already been on some type of supplement because it is rare that we can eat a diet that is perfect enough for us to get all that entire range of supplementation, vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, all these things from what we are eating. And because I had a history of low vitamin D and I knew that I really should have been on supplements all along just to fill in that void. And so I have the Nutrafol with what’s there. 

 

And then plus the additional supplements that I take, it’s just very important. And it does also help with the fatigue. So often women feel fatigue, but we keep going because we’ve got so many things to do. 

 

We’ve got people we’re trying to take care of. When we just keep going, we’re not paying attention to it. And we really should. 

 

Because again, fatigue itself is difficult to pinpoint, but you can start analyzing some things, checking some things. Because here I was, I could sleep on a dime at any minute when I was first going through the hair thinning and, you know, as far as my parts were concerned. And yet I wasn’t talking to the doctor saying, I am just exhausted all the time and I don’t know what’s wrong.

 

Right. For my six month eval. And see, maybe there are individuals that may not have access to that type of hair care, or maybe they’re not even realizing the value of running labs on a regular basis. 

 

And my doctor was on top of it. So yes. So I encourage seeing your doctor at least once every six months, and there should be a standard group of labs of blood work that your doctor is doing for you. 

 

And vitamin D should truly, should truly be one of those.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:13:23]:

Were there any other symptoms? You’ve mentioned the fatigue. You talk about the hair loss.Was there any other kind of tells that were happening that you weren’t observant to at this time? 

 

I had a lot of scalp itching where, oh gosh, why am I scratching again? Why am I scratching again? And that in itself could also be an indication you’re experiencing some hair loss. It could be an allergy, but it could also be hair loss. So it’s just something you should be mindful of. 

 

And especially if all these things are happening at the same time, that is also definitely a wake up call. You talked about some of the treatments you did, but there are also things you can do and just how you live your life. You’d mentioned diet, but getting the supplements along with it. 

 

You talked just briefly about sleep, stress management, things like that. Are there specific lifestyle changes that you also did to accompany all this that you would recommend for somebody?

 

Angela Fields [00:14:14]:

Absolutely. So that’s where we’re coming back into exercise because we’re all trying to manage our stress. 

 

Cortisol is a hormone and it’s distress hormone, but the stress hormone that can also cause hair loss. And there are other hormones that are a part of maturing. Some of them are increasing, some of them are decreasing as we’re aging, but maintaining a clean scalp so that you’re shampooing your hair on a regular basis and making sure you’re getting all the product residue, all of the dirt, sebum, all the different things that build up on our hair.

 

We need to clean our scalp and make sure we’re starting fresh and we should do that on a regular basis. And I’m talking that you’re at least getting that, you know, a shampoo at least every seven to 10 days. And you know, and black women may not shampoo their hair as frequently as others do, but trying to get it done at least every seven to 10 days, because letting that build up stay on your scalp could also be a cause of hair loss because of the presence of the hormone.

 

So you really want to make sure you’re doing that.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:20]:

Is there anything you’ve noticed that people are putting in their hair? You talk about what you’re leaving in your hair, but are there some things that people might be using on their hair, not realizing that day three, day four, it’s really causing a lot of damage.

 

Angela Fields [00:15:30]:

Yeah. 

 

And that’s when you’re talking about those tight hairstyles and when you’re wearing the glued in hairstyles. So every time you’re putting the hair in, you’re putting the glue right here over time, you’re going to experience hair thinning and then hair loss in that area, just from the weight from the glue. And then from the removal of it coming out of your hair. 

 

And so you want to minimize wearing those tight hairstyles, glued in hairstyles, anything that is traumatizing to the scalp into the hair. You really want to be on the minimal side and start trying to wear other types of styles rather than relying on the glued in styles in the tight hairstyles. But sleep, exercise, diet, you know, those things are all in there as well. 

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:15]:

For many people, lifestyle changes can make all the difference. But for others, the road may be less clear. While it’s always a good idea to reduce stress, get better sleep and choose hairstyles that have a positive impact on long term hair health. 

 

There are many women out there who experience advanced hair loss and need to take a more targeted approach to their hair regrowth and overall health. But without the proper support, it can be hard to know where to begin.

 

Angela Fields [00:16:45]:

They should start at the same point. 

 

Is it the tight hairstyles? Doing an evaluation of what could be the root causes. Are you experiencing some type of illness? OK, then maybe one doctor has been treating that illness like lupus, for example. But maybe you need to add in a dermatologist to treat the hair loss. 

 

But also, is it style related? Maybe you need to start wearing some different types of hairstyles or different products. Should you be using a growth serum on your hair? Absolutely. You know, that can indeed help with the thinning. 

 

But sometimes it can just be the fear of I don’t even know what this could possibly be. So I’m kind of scared to talk about it. And you feel isolated and alone and you shouldn’t. 

 

There are options on social media for groups that are dealing with hair loss and just feeling that you’re not alone, that you’re not in isolation. There are some individuals you can talk to. There are also meetup groups that you can find across the country. 

 

And perhaps you can find one in your area where all of the women in the group are experiencing hair loss. And so maybe once or twice a month they get together. They talk about what’s going on, what’s happening. 

 

And so just lifting that feeling of isolation off that I’m not alone. And it hit me hard when I heard the words alopecia. It’s like, oh, no, not.

 

All right. And so that’s why I talk about it so that individuals don’t feel like they’re all alone. And when I am able to talk to someone or help someone through it, it’s just like a success.

 

And when they follow up, because I always want to hear back, how’s it going? Have things changed? Are they improving? And it is huge. It’s a victory. I mean, I’m feeling a victory too.

 

When someone says, yes, it’s working, it’s working. So even though you’re feeling that fear of stepping out there and wondering what it could be, go ahead and do that. Reach out to various groups, reach out to individuals. 

 

If you see someone in social media telling their story, I mean, reach out to them because they will respond to you. I assure you they will respond. And even the meetup groups can be something that can be helpful as well.

 

But you have opportunities to connect, to reach out. Don’t feel like it’s just you. I don’t want you to stay in isolation either. 

 

Where would you start with that connection process? What’s step one? Step one is search for hair loss on social media and whatever is your chosen platform. Is it YouTube? Is it TikTok? Is it Instagram? Is it Facebook? Reach out and find the groups. On Facebook, there could be private groups where everyone in the group is dealing with hair loss. 

 

Join those groups, introduce yourself, start talking to the individuals. If you want a meetup group, go to the various sites where there are meetup groups to see if there’s a hair loss group right there in your own city and that you can join the group and at the next meeting. Generally, these groups are meeting a times a month and you may not be able to make every session, but step out and go there and talk to individuals. 

 

If you need to make that call to your dermatologist, make sure you can find a dermatologist that understands how you traditionally wear your hair so that they can best come up with a routine to treat you. But you know, don’t stay in fear and don’t be stuck in that fear.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:20:20]:

Hair loss can feel like a lonely journey, but as Angela’s story shows, there is hope. 

 

With the right treatments, a supportive community, and a willingness to seek answers, it’s possible to regain both your hair and your confidence. Whether you’re just starting to notice changes or you’ve been searching for solutions for years, you’re already on the path to success just by being here. We want to thank Angela for coming on the show to share both her experience with hair loss and her expertise in hair health so that more people can get on the path to feeling and looking their best. 

 

As we celebrate Women’s History Month and HairPod’s first anniversary, we also want to thank you for being here with us. Together, we’re breaking down the stigma surrounding hair loss, one story at a time. For more inspirational stories and words of wisdom from people who have been through hair loss, make sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcast app.

 

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Best Haircuts for Hair Loss: Expert Advice

Best Haircuts for Hair Loss: Expert Advice

Episode 53

Best Haircuts for Hair Loss: Expert Advice

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When you start losing your hair, your barber or hair stylist is the first line of defense to help you look sharp and feel your best. In this episode, I sit down with master barber Craig Whitely – better known as Craig the Barber – to talk about all things grooming from the barber’s perspective. He’s got all the tips, from the best hair loss styles to the tools that really work (and the ones that don’t).

Hair Loss Styles: The Right Cut Matters

Hair loss happens to so many of us, and many barbers have tricks for making it less noticeable. To achieve the appearance of a full head of hair, Craig recommends subtle fades, softer hairlines, and strategic styling. What works best for you will depend on where your hair loss is most obvious, your hair texture, and your face shape, so make sure you’re working with a barber who can take all of those things into account. Of course, a fresh haircut will mask the symptoms of mild or early hair loss, but stopping (or, in some cases, reversing) hair loss takes more advanced tools.

Products for Hair Loss

Popular hair loss solutions come in many shapes and sizes, and Craig discusses some of the ones that people seek out, including fibers that attach to the existing hairs, which can give a fuller appearance (as long as they don’t get wet). Many quick fixes come with their caveats, so it’s important to do your research or talk to a hair loss specialist to see what’s going to work best for you. Craig has seen some good results for his clients who use minoxidil – in the majority of cases, it helps clients maintain their current hair length and thickness.

Hair Health: Creating Good Daily Habits

Stopping hair loss starts with healthy daily habits. Craig suggests starting with a daily routine that includes keeping the scalp stimulated and moisturized. Grooming creams can help keep the scalp hydrated, which supports hair follicle health. Regular exfoliation also helps remove product and skin buildup, which can stifle hair follicles. Craig also recommends choosing a hairstyle that supports long-term hair health, which means avoiding heavier hairstyles or managing the weight of heavy hair carefully so the follicle isn’t experiencing consistent tension.

Hair Loss and Confidence: Find an Ally

Hair loss happens in stages. No matter where you are in your hair journey, there are actions you can take today to care for your hair and boost your confidence. Working with someone who understands hair loss can help you figure out what that action might be for you. Professionals like Craig remind us that no one has to face hair loss alone, and there’s always something you can do to feel your best.

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Episode.53 Transcript

Craig Whitely [00:00:02]:

I mean, I feel like they match my perfectionist personality. You know, they’re just as intense about how they look as I am, just as intense about how I want them to look. So we match. You know, it works out really well. They’re just as intense as I am, and so that’s my goal, to make you look good. That’s important.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:00:30]:

Welcome to HairPod, the podcast where you get to hear real people talk about their hair journeys. I’m your host, Kevin Rolston, and each week I get to interview people from different walks of life whose lives have been touched by hair loss in some form or fashion. Many of our guests have experienced hair loss themselves and found a way to get their confidence and their hair back. If you’ve ever caught yourself in the mirror and thought that maybe you’re seeing your hairline start to recede or there’s a spot in the back that just isn’t as thick as it used to be, you’re in the right place. That moment can hit hard, and it leaves so many people wondering what the next step is. Wouldn’t it be great to have someone in your corner who’s going to give you real, honest advice and keep you looking and feeling your best? Today’s guest is here to do just that. He’s a master barber with two decades of experience in the industry, and he cares so much about teaching people the art of self care. He created the popular men’s grooming blog, the Men’s Room.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:01:29]:

In this episode, Craig Whitely, AKA Craig the Barber, is here to talk hair loss from a barber’s perspective. He knows firsthand what it’s like to help someone navigate that moment when they first accept their hair loss and how to guide them towards whatever is going to help them feel most confident.

 

Craig Whitely [00:01:52]:

I think the first part is just really addressing the elephant in the room. You know, a lot of times guys are sometimes in denial, right? And so we both have to get on the same page when it comes to the person sitting in the chair and their advocate, their partner say, hey, listen, this is what’s going on. I foresee this becoming worse down the line. Let’s see how we can now manage it and do some preemptive strategies and proactive strategies to make sure that we can do this. So a lot of times when you’re receding from the front of your hairline, if it’s subtle, then you can definitely, depending on the hair type, you can definitely blend the rest of the hair to match the front.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:02:28]:

Right.

 

Craig Whitely [00:02:28]:

And not make hard lines in the front when you create hard lines in the front of the hairline, it brings greater attention to these areas that are being lost. Right. So then you create subtle hairlines, you know, depending on the hair type. For example, if you have straighter hair, then you can create some strategies where you’re cutting the hair in an angled formations to the front, where then you can texture here a little bit with certain types of products with the way you point cut into the hair. And then you can style it where the hair goes a little bit forward without looking like a cover up.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:02:56]:

Right.

 

Craig Whitely [00:02:56]:

And we manage it, we manage it in that way and that’s how you start.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:03:01]:

Now, are there some things that you would do that you wouldn’t recommend? I know, you know, once upon a time people were doing the comb over and they were doing that kind of stuff. And you know, people have kind of called that out. Do you have people that still want that and get that request?

 

Kevin Rolston [00:03:13]:

And how do you kind of.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:03:15]:

Because I imagine because for you it’s your reputation too. So if you got a client, you’re sending them out there and they come to you with a bad request that you know is not going to look good, how does that consultation go down? And how do you try to work with one of your clients to say, hey, you got to trust me. You came to me and if you ever put your foot down and said, I’m sorry, but that’s going to look terrible and I’m not cutting it that way.

 

Craig Whitely [00:03:37]:

I, not 100% of my clients, thankfully, trust me. But it took a lot of time for me for them to gain that trust. Right. One of the advantages for me is that I’m extremely honest and I do it from a position of love. You know, I really appreciate them and I want them to look their best. And so being an advocate for them is very helpful in that way. And so when they come in with certain strategies of trying to hide what is being lost, I have to be straight up with them and say, hey, listen, this is not going to work. Everyone can see it.

 

Craig Whitely [00:04:08]:

Comb overs just aren’t a thing anymore. We just can’t do that. It’s very obvious. Let’s see how we can strategize and make you look good. You know, it’s funny, I say this to so many guys that are losing their hair. I have yet, and hey, it might just be the man that have sat in my chair, but I have yet to see a gentleman that is losing their hair have the, have a funny shape head. And so I feel like that is Kind of like some grace that they are getting. So if they end up losing their hair, I said, hey, you know, we could work with this, we could work with this bald look, for example.

 

Craig Whitely [00:04:40]:

And I feel like I give them the confidence to say, hey, the way this is going, we can make it work, or we can figure out ways to strategize on, you know, speaking to a few doctors, have some recommendations, you know, what you really want to do. And so we go through the whole gamut on strategies. I’m making that work for them.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:04:57]:

Can you size up somebody’s face and immediately tell from their face what is going to be the right hairstyle to match?

 

Craig Whitely [00:05:03]:

That is one of my skill sets. I, I specialize in cutting hair according to their face shape and strategize haircuts that complement the face shape and enhance their face shape. A lot of times, especially, you know, very popular, a very good looking approach to styling someone’s hair is finding a way to enhance their jawline. And the jawline is very attractive feature for the male. And so you want to create a symmetrical face shape and a strong jawline. And so I try my best to work with what I have to build that look for them.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:05:34]:

Okay, and do you think that there is one hairstyle that you would recommend for somebody? Because the comb over is gone. If somebody is losing their hair, what is something that somebody could walk into their own barber if they can’t get, you know, Craig the barber coming out to their house, what could they walk into their own barber and say, hey, can you try this because I’m losing my hair. Maybe they’re losing it, you know, on the crown where a lot of people lose it. And would it be different from someone losing in the crown as opposed to somebody losing in the front? Are there hairstyles or techniques that they could do to, you know, create that illusion that they’re not losing as bad as they are? What would you recommend for either one of those people?

 

Craig Whitely [00:06:10]:

Sure. I feel like, you know, when you’re dealing with the front, that’s a really difficult one. And it really is going to depend on their hair line and the hair type primarily because there’s, that’s your focal point, right? When someone looks at you, the first thing they see is the front of your face. The back is really easy to hide. There’s a lot of ways you could do different sprays, just different types of sprays that you could put in the back, fillers that will kind of fill out that particular area so no one really sees it. But the front is really a very obvious situation. So it really is going to depend on how much is being lost. And for example, if they have hair type like mine, African American hair, and as a hairline there, we’re going to go with something that’s not going to be very hard lines in the front and we’re going to try to fade out those areas where they are losing to give it an illusion that there’s nothing really happening in that space.

 

Craig Whitely [00:06:55]:

Right.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:06:56]:

So it’s more. It’s more blended. You’re going to go a little bit of a softer, not. Yeah, not a hard line.

 

Craig Whitely [00:07:01]:

Exactly. Absolutely.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:07:03]:

Okay, okay. Illusions, illusions.

 

Craig Whitely [00:07:06]:

You got to create delusions. The magic. We’re working on magic at this point when it comes to got to get creative.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:07:15]:

A great haircut is a solid starting point when you’re in those early stages of hair loss. And Craig’s honest approach lays that foundation. But sometimes a haircut alone isn’t enough. Maybe you need a little more to feel confident when you look in the mirror. That’s when it helps to lean on your barber for advice. The right tools and products can make.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:07:36]:

A big difference, but that right look.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:07:39]:

Isn’T the same for everyone. Being open with your barber about what you’re hoping to achieve gives them the chance to guide you. Recommend what works, works and help keep your expectations realistic.

 

Craig Whitely [00:07:56]:

I use a very easy product. You can find them at stores so many times. This product called Topic, that’s the one I like to use. And it’s basically it looks like how you would describe. Like you see those old movies where women are spraying perfume and they have this little pump looking product that sprays perfume. It functions as similarly and you just basically sprays fillers which are essentially. It’s not necessarily hair, it’s like fibers that essentially attach to the hair. And then to keep it in place, typically you spray a little hairspray on it and hold it in place.

 

Craig Whitely [00:08:26]:

What’s great about that is it really matches the hair color and hair type and it doesn’t stick necessarily to the scalp where it looks where say for example, if light hits it, you can see it very easily. It’s a very disguisable product which I enjoy using often. And then they have other products that are more semi permanent. For example, they call a product called Vision, which is more of a liquid form, almost like a hair color type of product that people then kind of like subtly paint and spray on and things of that nature. But I typically like the fibers because they look more realistic, in my opinion.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:08:59]:

Now Are there any downsides to this product? Let’s say you get caught in a rainstorm, are you in trouble?

 

Craig Whitely [00:09:05]:

Yes.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:09:07]:

Okay.

 

Craig Whitely [00:09:09]:

Yes you are. I mean, the only way you’re going to prevent that is you’re going to have to use something that is more semi permanent. It’s going to last a few days or so, but if you’re using that product topic, it’s definitely going to wash off.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:09:21]:

So even on a sunny day, you take an umbrella with you just in case.

 

Craig Whitely [00:09:24]:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just in case. Just in case. You gotta, you gotta be, you know, no one needs to know. Just, just walk around with your umbrella and it’s okay. They won’t know why you just, there’s being percussed.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:09:35]:

Have you ever seen one of your clients trying the minoxidils or some of those topical?

 

Craig Whitely [00:09:39]:

Oh, yeah.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:09:40]:

And what do you think about those? Have you seen great success with clients that use that?

 

Craig Whitely [00:09:44]:

Yeah, it’s an off and on situation. You know, I feel like the secret and the, the solution is still out there.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:09:50]:

Right.

 

Craig Whitely [00:09:50]:

They have not found the perfect scenario for everyone. But I have seen success for some men and no success for others. It’s some, sometimes, maybe, I would say maybe a 60, 40 scenario at this point I see more guys moving in that direction trying to use these types of products and seeing great, great success, you know. And then surprisingly, I’ve actually had clients that were taking it for years and then disclosed to me years later that they have been taking it for three or four years, for example, and I never knew. And so then I could say, oh wow, so it has been working because I’ve been cutting your hair. I haven’t seen any hair loss. And so I think it really depends on the person. I think sometimes diet is a plays a factor sometimes and stress on how these products are going to support.

 

Craig Whitely [00:10:34]:

But I’ve seen success surprisingly.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:37]:

Okay, now tell me, doing what you do, how are you staying up on the new hairstyles? Where do you go, where do you look? How do you make sure that are you learning from your clients? Are you watching pop culture stuff like how do you know what is and what are some of the biggest trends right now in the hairstyles that you’re seeing?

 

Craig Whitely [00:10:54]:

Yeah, so the popular, I typically, you know, you’re always seeing. Social media has such a wide array of these opportunities to be able to see what’s there. I always like to also go to and watch videos and footage of fashion shows because a lot of times they typically are going to be showing me what’s Coming down the bike. You know, a lot of times it’s not. Hasn’t reached the United States yet, but a lot of times you can go to Europe and you see a little trance. You see a lot of hairstyles that are coming out that are sometimes very radical or sometimes going back into 70s, 80s, and then we typically tie. The United States typically likes to follow that maybe four or five years after the fact. And so that’s where I see a lot.

 

Craig Whitely [00:11:36]:

The trends. And, you know, I think what I see is a lot of big hair right now. You know, I say a lot of African American men, all races, are typically liking the full hair effect, surprisingly, the big looks. And so I feel like that is kind of an advantage when it comes to hair loss.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:11:52]:

Right.

 

Craig Whitely [00:11:52]:

Where you can cover up a lot of that. The more hair you have on the top of your head, the more you can disguise where the hair loss is.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:11:59]:

Now, my question, because sometimes I see younger guys with hair like what you’re talking about.

 

Craig Whitely [00:12:04]:

Yeah.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:05]:

And like, for instance, there’s a football player named Cam Newton. And I don’t know if you know who Cam is, but he has got some law. He’s got some long hair and everything twisted. It’s tied. And the one thing I think, you know, he’s. He’s a younger guy right now, but I’m thinking in 10 to 20 years, whenever I see Cam Newton’s hair and he’s always wearing the hats and everything like that, is he doing damage to his scalp and to his hair that in 20 years he might regret? Are those kind of hairstyles harder on somebody who might be prone to male pattern baldness later on?

 

Craig Whitely [00:12:35]:

That’s a great question. So I think one of the biggest challenges with hair when it comes to, like, Cam Newton’s hairstyle and things of that nature, is the weight.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:42]:

Right.

 

Craig Whitely [00:12:43]:

The heavier the hair, it looks heavy.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:45]:

His hair looks heavy.

 

Craig Whitely [00:12:46]:

Yes, it is, and it will be. Right? So the thing with him is that as long as he’s able to manage the weight, if he doesn’t have male pattern baldness in his line, then he’ll be safe. But a lot of times it’s really just a root area. You know, if you’re careful with how much weight is being stressed on the root, and then you’re also carefully taking care of those areas. You naturally exfoliating the scalp, you’re moisturizing your scalp, and you’re doing all the necessary precautionary measures. He may or may not struggle with that. It really is going to depend But I know that when your hair is long and there’s a lot of stretching and pulling, that is going to speed up the process of any form of hair loss. Sometimes it takes quite some time for that hair to grow back because you’re damaging the root.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:13:31]:

A great barber will point out all the hair don’t like avoiding heavy hairstyles that constrain your roots or skipping proper scalp care. But the best barbers go one step further. They’ll steer you towards the routines and products that can actually strengthen your hair and keep it looking its best. Hair loss might feel overwhelming, but with the right advice and daily habits, you can protect the hair you have and give it the care it deserves.

 

Craig Whitely [00:14:02]:

I think what is important is a lot of folks, especially men, they’re are extremely unaware of the fact that when you apply products to your hair, there comes buildup. Especially when you’re styling your hair on a day to day, right. So it’s important for you to be able to make sure you’re shampooing and conditioning your hair. A lot of guys, the two day their hair gets a little bit dirtier, for example, straighter hair and it, it looks better and it feels fuller, right. But at the end of the day you can accomplish that with product and good healthy product. And so you have to. I like to always recommend for customers to exfoliate their scalp at least once a week, get a hair exfoliating product or you could just literally just go to the store and buy an exfoliating product that you exfoliate your skin with and apply to your scalp. And that really loosens all of the dead skin cells that are on your hair.

 

Craig Whitely [00:14:50]:

A lot of the product that is just stuck and deposited on your scalp because sometimes a lot of guys don’t realize their hair is not breathing right. And so it’s important for all of these types of gels and creams and putties for those to be washed out of the scalp from time to time. And then you also, I always recommend, whenever someone goes to bed, always recommend some aspect of a moisturizing product on your scalp. You’re not styling your hair before you go to bed, right. But you’re shampooing, you, conditioning your hair. I always recommend say a grooming cream that keeps the scalp moist and it keeps the scalp healthy. And preparing your scalp for tomorrow when you’re getting ready to style your hair, those are key things.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:30]:

Any products that you would stay away from anything that you think is out there that either is not worth the money, kind of a scam or maybe it’s actually something that winds up damaging your hair.

 

Craig Whitely [00:15:39]:

I’m not a fan of gels.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:40]:

Okay.

 

Craig Whitely [00:15:41]:

I don’t think hair gels are supportive in any way for a gentleman’s hair. A lot of times it clumps up the hair. It does not have any form of moisturizing component to the product. It actually dries the hair in the scalp. That is not going to help any way, shape or form. If you’re trying to prevent hair loss when your scalp is dry. When your hair is dry and you don’t have and you’re drying out the scalp, you do not have any support that is allowing hair to naturally. Allow in hair to naturally grow and you will get a lot of breakage with those types of products.

 

Craig Whitely [00:16:12]:

I’m not a fan of gels at all. I feel like you can achieve any look you want without having to use a gel.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:17]:

Okay, what would you use? If somebody’s listening this right now, being dang, I use gel. What should they try instead of the gel?

 

Craig Whitely [00:16:24]:

So a lot of times, a lot of guys like gel because they like it to not move. They like the hair to not move.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:28]:

Right.

 

Craig Whitely [00:16:28]:

And so I personally like to use products that are going to be, say, a matted putty like a Sumo Tech, for example, from Bumble and Bumble. You can style the hair and get. Get a hairspray. Get a hairspray, not too heavy, medium whole hairspray and spray your hair. You want to get the same effect, but you’re going to get the moisturizing components that comes from the Sumo tech as well as the grooming cream earlier. And you’re not having any deposit or even any flaking that comes from these gels from time to time as well.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:52]:

Right?

 

Craig Whitely [00:16:53]:

Nice.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:53]:

Awesome.

 

Craig Whitely [00:16:54]:

And so that’s, that’s a really quick option. And then a lot of folks like to use mousses. Mousse does a similar process. And then you can. And again, you could just add a little hairspray and your hair set and it doesn’t have that hard, crunchy right look.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:17:08]:

Okay.

 

Craig Whitely [00:17:09]:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:17:10]:

So what is the furthest you’ve ever traveled to give somebody a haircut cut? Is it all local or if you had to get on a plane, you had to drive a crazy distance to get there.

 

Craig Whitely [00:17:20]:

I went to the Bahamas one time for the Michael Jordan golf tournament and I was the barber there for a week. Met a whole lot of cool guys, man. Met a whole lot of athletes. A whole lot of. That was awesome. That was awesome. That’s about as far as I’ve gone. Yeah.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:17:35]:

That’s crazy.

 

Craig Whitely [00:17:36]:

That was a fun time. Yeah, that was really cool. Beat all those athletes.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:17:40]:

Yeah, that’s awesome. Okay, that’s cool. He’s down in my area. I’m in South Florida, so you need to come down here and.

 

Craig Whitely [00:17:45]:

Yeah.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:17:46]:

Make some house calls in South Florida. And what’s the craziest environment you’ve ever cut somebody’s hair in? Because when you’re at a golf course. Yeah. Where. Where are you, if you had to? Somebody’s like, hey, man, you got to take care of me right now. I got something I got to do. And you’re, like, right here. And.

 

Craig Whitely [00:18:00]:

Well, in that particular center, I was in their locker room. I was set up in their. The locker room. And, you know, I’m in locker room, man. I’m in the male’s locker room. So, you know, people are changing, and so that’s. That’s a little odd, but, you know, I made it work.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:15]:

Yeah, that’s.

 

Craig Whitely [00:18:17]:

And, you know, they don’t care. They just.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:19]:

Nah.

 

Craig Whitely [00:18:20]:

It’s like, they’re, you know, they’re like, hey, what’s up, man? I’m like, hey, I’ll just keep cutting over here, man.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:26]:

Right. Oh, man.

 

Craig Whitely [00:18:29]:

It’s interesting. Very interesting guy.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:31]:

They’re.

 

Craig Whitely [00:18:31]:

They’re cool guys, though. Yeah. That’s crazy.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:34]:

That is.

 

Craig Whitely [00:18:35]:

I would say that. And maybe a fashion show. A couple fashion shows where. Yeah. Very, very hectic in the background. You know, they’re running in and out. They change your clothes fast, and, you know, you have to style them out really quick. And sometimes you’re using the gels.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:48]:

Right.

 

Craig Whitely [00:18:48]:

Because you have. You don’t have time to really finesse a style. You have to just do something very quick. Right. It can be quite chaotic. I would say that was quite an interesting experience as well.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:58]:

Yeah, I can imagine there’s some challenges with that. I imagine you probably have a few customers or have had a few customers that could be challenging and, you know, wanted a certain way and very particular.

 

Craig Whitely [00:19:08]:

Absolutely. I mean, I feel like it. They match my perfectionist personality. You know, they’re just as intense about how they look as I am. Just as intense about how I want them to look. So we match. You know, it works out really well. They’re just as intense as I am, and so that’s my goal, to make you look good.

 

Craig Whitely [00:19:24]:

That’s important. It’s very important.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:19:31]:

Thanks for joining us for this episode of Hairpod. If there’s one big takeaway from today’s conversation with Craig, the barber, it’s that hair loss doesn’t mean giving up, it means adapting. With the right team, the right tools, and the right care, you can still feel confident every time you look in the mirror. Remember, your hair journey isn’t over just because you’ve hit a rough patch. You’ve got options, and you got people like Craig and me in your corner to help you find what works for you. For more information about all things hair and hair loss, make sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcast app. Thanks for listening to another episode of hairpod. Check us out at Hair Club on Instagram or search Hairpod on Facebook to continue the conversation.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:20:13]:

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Kevin Rolston [00:20:39]:

It helps us do just that.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:20:41]:

So thank you until next time.

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Episode 52

Exploring Hair Systems With Influencer Rachel Rivera

Exploring Hair Systems | Rachel Rivera

This week, I sat down with Rachel Rivera to unravel the mystery surrounding hair systems. We took an in-depth look at how modern hair systems work and whether they look and feel as natural as they claim to. Rachel shares the secrets behind how professional hair loss stylists achieve the seamless, natural looks that high-quality hair systems are so famous for.

Hair Systems: Not Your Grandpa’s Hair Loss Solution

Hair loss is nothing new, and hair replacement solutions have been around for generations. However, as hair restoration technology continues to improve, so does the overall look, feel, and experience of using a modern hair system to achieve the look you desire.

While traditional hairpieces and toupees were often bulky and unnatural, today’s non-surgical hair systems are engineered to blend seamlessly with your natural hair and scalp. Cutting-edge advancements in both base materials and adhesives have revolutionized the hair system industry. The result? Modern hair systems are now more comfortable, breathable, and durable than ever—delivering a realistic hair restoration solution that gives wearers confidence in their appearance.

Hair Loss Stylists to the Rescue

One of the primary advantages of choosing a custom hair system is the ability to personalize it to your exact needs. Professional hair loss stylists work closely with clients to ensure the hair system matches their natural hair color, texture, and style preferences. This initial consultation is key, as it also considers important lifestyle factors that can influence the type of system and adhesive best suited for each individual.

Customization doesn’t stop at appearance. Modern hair systems can be tailored for maximum comfort and longevity, with stylists selecting the appropriate materials and adhesives based on your skin sensitivity, daily routine, and desired level of maintenance.

Learn to Use a Hair System with Expert Support

Maintaining your hair system at home is easier than ever with guidance from a professional hair loss stylist. Experts like Rachel Rivera educate clients on best practices to ensure their hair system looks flawless between salon visits. This includes teaching proper hair care techniques, such as using sulfate-free shampoos designed for hair systems, and demonstrating how to handle minor adjustments, like reapplying adhesive if lifting occurs.

Working with a trusted provider like HairClub offers an added benefit—access to hair loss salons across the country. Whether you need a routine maintenance visit or an emergency touch-up while traveling, HairClub’s network ensures you’re supported every step of the way.

Whether you’re ready to explore a hair system as your next hair loss solution or simply curious about the options available, the best first step is to schedule a consultation with a hair loss professional. Getting expert advice tailored to your unique needs can help you achieve the natural, full head of hair you’ve been seeking.

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Episode.52 Transcript

Rachel Rivera [00:00:00]:

As you start getting a little bit more gray and as we start noticing and we start talking about it, it’s like, okay, Kevin, let’s add 10% more gray into your hair. I think it’s going to look really nice. I think it’s going to look natural. It is always me observing and us having this conversation so that future forward we can always change and customize orders to how you want it and how you would look your.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:00:31]:

Welcome to hairpod, the podcast where you get to hear real people talk about their hair journeys. I’m your host, Kevin Raulston, and each week I get to interview people from different walks of life whose lives have been touched by hair loss in some form or fashion. Many of our guests have experienced hair loss themselves and found a way to get their confidence and their hair back. This week on HairPod, I’m excited to be talking with hair club stylist Rachel Rivera. She has an incredible depth of knowledge about hair loss and hair restoration solutions with years of experience applying hair systems to countless clients, including me. This week we’re going to be uncovering the mysteries behind a topic that few people fully understand. Hair systems. If you don’t have one, it can be surprisingly hard to find detailed, reliable information on what they are and and how they work.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:01:24]:

Part of the challenge is that modern hair systems are designed to be undetectable. You could have a friend, coworker, or even a family member using one, and you would never know it. Many people choose them because they’re being discreet, so they’re not real quick to open up about it. And that’s exactly why conversations like this are so important. If you ever wondered what a hair system is exactly, listen in. Especially if you hear the words hair system and think toupee. If that’s you, you’re definitely not alone. I think a lot of us who have hair systems now, we’re in the same boat that you were not too long ago.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:02:01]:

And Rachel’s here to be our guide into how far the technology on hair systems has come and the amazing things that stylists like her can accomplish with a hair system.

 

Rachel Rivera [00:02:16]:

I hate the word ‘toupee’. It reminds me of, like, your grandfather or your great, great grandfather that had one of those. The difference is when it comes to a hair system, typically with the hair, you are able to get them in different one. You’re able to get them in different textures, different colors, you’re able to get them in different densities, which really create that difference in really, really natural and, you know, your heavier, thicker versions there’s two different kinds.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:02:48]:

Now, the one thing that to me, and tell me if I’m right on this, what is amazing about a hair system and what is different? I never wore a toupee, but from what I had seen when I was a kid, if I’d ever seen one, it seemed like what they were putting the hair in was something that was thicker, it wasn’t breathable, and the way that they would use the adhesive or the way that they would tack it onto the scalp, to me, that’s maybe where the biggest changes might come in. Not being an expert on it, but I’m just asking, am I right on that, that what they’re using to put the hair in and the measures that they use to keep the hair on are radically different between a hair system and a toupee?

 

Rachel Rivera [00:03:29]:

Oh, absolutely. When you think about a toupee or any kind of heavier density type of system, typically back in, you know, in the days you have people that wore them on tape, it was easy for them to kind of just apply the tape, put the hair on. When they go home, they take it off. Something that they simply use when they were going out or if they were going to work. The difference is with these systems now is that they’re made so that you can wear them for a long amount of time, which is amazing. You are wearing the hair, you’re washing the hair, you’re styling the hair as if it were your own. So with that we are using medical grade adhesives and we do use some strips as well. And then what we do is it creates that longer lasting version of hair where it literally is mimicking hair like your own.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:04:19]:

And when you talked about the hair that they had in a toupee, was that real human hair or was it something synthetic?

 

Rachel Rivera [00:04:26]:

A lot of them were synthetic. You did have a few that were human hair. Those obviously, I think assuming back in the time costed a lot more money. But now those heads of hair typically were synthetic. They were very, very heavy usually often because they weren’t matched to a client’s hair or their own growing hair. A lot of the times they were often color. So that’s the big difference with what we have now and old school toupees.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:04:52]:

And with the toupee, it wasn’t something like, for people that don’t know, with a hair system now, when I sit in your chair, you put on the hair system when it’s fresh and it’s brand new, and then you start cutting it to fit the style that I want and what looks good. And if I had to assume the toupee itself probably came pre cut, and how you got it is just what you had, and that’s just what you’re going to wear. As far as your style.

 

Rachel Rivera [00:05:17]:

Oh, yeah. What you had was what you had. If you wanted the curly, it was whatever you wanted the texture to be. It just wasn’t cut and customized to your own, your own hair.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:05:28]:

Now, the one thing I would say with a hair system is you talk about what they put the hair in. The hair system now it’s some kind of mesh where it’s very breathable. And to me, I think that’s what’s radically different to the point where you don’t feel it when it’s on. You sweat through it, water goes through it. And I imagine the old school toupees, it wasn’t like that.

 

Rachel Rivera [00:05:50]:

No, you were talking about heavier densities back in the day, usually something very, very thick, almost to the point where it was suffocating the scalp. The hair systems that we have now are extremely breathable. The majority of them come in a lace style, which is great because it allows for the breathability, not only just for that factor, but also in washing your own hair and just kind of feeling that water run through the hair. Hair will get knotted into the lace systems, and it creates that natural look and breathability with what you’re getting.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:06:26]:

Hearing Rachel break down how hair systems differ from toupees really shows you just how far the technology has come. But it’s not just the advanced materials or the comfort they provide that sets them apart. It’s the level of personalization. High quality hair systems like the one I wear are completely customized to each individual. Every detail, from hair color and texture to style, is tailored to create a natural, seamless look that’s as unique as the person who’s wearing it.

 

Rachel Rivera [00:07:00]:

From the beginning. If you remember when you initially started with us, we sit you down, we have these one on one consultations. We meet with you, we look over your hair, the color of your hair, the texture of your hair, the great percentage in your hair. With that, we customize a head of hair that is literally just for you, just for all of our clients. So when we are seeing our clients for the first time and we’re cutting in their hair, not only does that hair blend and match what we’ve created for for them, but we are also cutting it according to style. So it is meeting with me and saying, hey, Rachel, I really like this style. I want to do this. And then me Customizing the look that you want.

 

Rachel Rivera [00:07:44]:

So that makes the biggest difference in the world. You’re blending it in, it looks natural. You can’t even tell where the hair that we’ve applied on where it starts and where your own hair begins. And that’s what we want.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:07:58]:

Now, a lot of people that come to Hair Club, they have some level of gray, likely in their natural hair. So how do you do that so that that matches up because the toupees didn’t used to do that. So at Hair Club, how are you doing it so that you match in grays or just the subtle textures too? And even in the summer, some people’s hair gets lighter and things change like that. So what are you doing there to make sure that you it’s seamless from the real natural hair that the person still has into what is the hair from their hair system?

 

Rachel Rivera [00:08:28]:

It’s nice because Hair Club created these customized swatches where we are able to kind of blend in anywhere between the 10% gray to the 90% gray. So it gives us those variations. So when we’re comparing your hair to any of the great percentage swatches that we have, we’re able to customize your hair as we go. Now granted, as again, like how you mentioned with the summertime, we do a lot of in house customization as well. So everything is very unique to you. So that’s always a good thing with gray percentage as well as you start getting a little bit more gray and as we start noticing and we start talking about, it’s like, okay, Kevin, let’s add 10% more gray into your hair. I think it’s going to look really nice. I think it’s going to look natural.

 

Rachel Rivera [00:09:15]:

It is always me observing and us having this conversation so that future forward we can always change and customize orders to how you want it and how you would look your best.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:09:25]:

Now somebody were coming in, they said, well, you know, I’m particular to the hairstyle that I have or the hair that I want. You know, what are the parameters when it comes to styles that people can get? Do you have? Well, we can do these kind of four hairstyles, but we can’t do something like that. Where are your limitations when it comes to putting the exact style that the customer wants?

 

Rachel Rivera [00:09:44]:

Our styles, hands down, are always. I feel like I can always give somebody exactly what they’re looking for and what they want. There are no limitations to what we can do. There’s not just four, like cookie cutter haircuts. We have tons of haircuts. I Am a super visual person. So if you give me something that you like, I’m going to follow that. There’s no limitations to hair.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:10]:

One of the biggest challenges for any stylist working with hair systems is helping each person feel like themselves again. It’s not just about creating something that looks good. It’s about creating a system that blends so naturally into someone’s lifestyle that it truly just becomes their hair. Achieving that level of personalization takes skill, patience, and incredible attention to detail, especially when matching color, texture, and style to reflect somebody’s unique personality. It’s a far cry from hair solutions of the past. Most toupees were made from synthetic materials, which is why they didn’t really look or feel natural. This is another thing that sets a high quality hair system apart from, from a toupee or even a lower quality system. The materials make all the difference.

 

Rachel Rivera [00:11:01]:

Our hair is human. So the good thing about it is that your hair is gonna feel just like your own hair. Granted, you’re always gonna have, you know, different variances in textures here and there, but being the fact that the hair is human, the hair is always gonna feel like your own. So as you’re running your hands through your hair, you’re gonna feel that natural feeling of hair. And at some point, I believe people just, you know, it’s. It’s all one. They forget that they have hair, and then all of a sudden they’re running their hands through their hair. And that’s a great feeling.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:11:30]:

And the thing that I would say too, with the hair system is that layer, what they put the hair in with the hair system, that mesh layer, it’s so thin. To me, it’s like a layer of skin. And so as you’re going from what would be your natural hair into what is the hair in the hair system, it’s not like you hit a line or you feel a bump, or you could then trace your hand all the way around, be like, okay, wait a minute. Clearly that part is not the real hair. That’s the experience that I have had with it.

 

Rachel Rivera [00:11:58]:

Oh, yeah. It’s almost a zero transition from the hair that we are putting on to your own hair. And that’s really what you want, that most natural feel in the hair. Just that ability to run through the hand and not feel those seams that most people would think would be there.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:15]:

Tell me a bit about the adhesive that you use, because I’m sure there are some concerns out there that I’m an active person, I’m on the boat. I Like going swimming. I’m in Taekwondo, whatever it might be. How good is the adhesive? And is there only one way that you put on a hair system, or does it vary from person to person as to how you make sure that it’s going to stay on? And just how sturdy is a hair system to stay on?

 

Rachel Rivera [00:12:41]:

Oh, no. We have several types of adhesives, and really it’s all based on one. Your skin, your active, whether your lifestyle is active or not. So we kind of, as we’re going along and I’m getting to know you, we utilize a certain type of adhesive, and then we work from there, going back and forth. We have several different kinds, from our nice and sturdy to our clients that are a little bit more sensitive. And we have those hypoallergenic types of adhesive. So we have adhesives for all, which is really good. As we start getting to know our clients a little bit more and what their needs are, that is also one thing that we customize as well.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:13:22]:

Yeah, and I will tell you, it’s very sturdy. And one thing I did when I first got my hair system was try all these different things, like riding in a Jeep with my head sticking out of the window and going into a hurricane simulator with category three winds. And so it’s, you know, withstood all of those. So anybody who is going to be skiing, being on a boat, anything that might be fast, even if you’re riding a motorcycle and you decide to unfortunately not use element, which you should, it’s going to be something. It’s going to stay on with the adhesives that they have. So the security there is. It’s always 100%. It’s never anything that I think of losing as I’m doing something active.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:13:59]:

So to let people know that, the one thing that I will talk about which I think is unique, is that sometimes you do have to understand that the way your skin is, because sometimes you have oily scalps, and sometimes you have very dry scalps. And so, you know, just having dealt with me when we were going through different adhesives and whatever, my skin, all of it’s so sensitive. I have eczema on my face, and I’m always using creams and things like that. And then sometimes, yeah, my scalp would be dried out, and it’s almost like we had to tweak it a little bit, try to figure out how to make that happen. Can you explain with the different skin types? And yeah, some people do have oily, and some people do have dry so how does that vary? Being a hairdresser at Hair club? What do you have to consider when you’re using a hair system?

 

Rachel Rivera [00:14:43]:

Well, what we do is, again, when we are initially meeting you for the first time, as we get to know you a little bit more and more, what we do is it’s just like with you, when you came to me initially, we started you out on one type of adhesive. And then as your skin changes, we also customize that as well. Same things go for even our technologies for hair. So hair systems come in what we call different technologies. Sometimes if you are a little bit on the oilier side, you tend to work out, the hair is getting a little bit looser. Those are things that we also have to change and customize with you as we go as well. Sometimes you do need something just a little bit sturdier. And then some of my clients kind of stay within that middle range, and their hair looks beautiful.

 

Rachel Rivera [00:15:28]:

And all we’re doing is we’re just changing either adhesive strips or adhesive in general. And then those are the little changes that we make as long as well with the home care that they’re giving it at home.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:42]:

Right. And you don’t necessarily have to use the adhesive strips, because I used to, especially when I had a more active lifestyle, and I’ve decided that wasn’t necessary for me. And so tell everybody, what kind of adhesive am I using, and where does that rank on the level of adhesives that you use for a hair system?

 

Rachel Rivera [00:15:59]:

Your adhesive is what we call ghost bond. And what the good thing about it is that it’s made for, one, durability, and two, any kind of active lifestyle. So it goes with the system type that you have as well. So everything coincides together to give you that nice blended, seamless look, but it’s giving you the hold that you need for as long as you need it for.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:22]:

Okay. And talk a little bit about the lifting, because I want full disclosure here so that you know somebody who’s looking at a hair system, they know everything that might be going. Going on. So especially for people that might frequently wash their hair, maybe once, sometimes twice a day or whatever, again, you can treat it like human hair that, you know, after a while, the adhesive, it. It may give a little bit, and you have what is called lifting, where there might be a little portion of it after the shower, typically is when I. I notice it. So to me, what I’ve done is I’ve budgeted in maybe an extra five minutes than I used to do before what I would do with my regular hair. And that would just be something to be like if I had that five minute cushion, if I have a bit of lifting, I take home the adhesive that you have and it’s just a little dot, you put it right there, you give it a second to kind of dry and to clear up and then you put the hair right back on it.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:17:10]:

Within five minutes, you’re completely good to go. It’s, it’s like anybody else would add something maybe to a styling regimen that would be what you would do with every shower is just to make sure that, okay, I don’t have any kind of lifting going on.

 

Rachel Rivera [00:17:23]:

Absolutely. It’s great because we never promise that it’s ever going to be foolproof. I never tell you, Kevin, your, your hair is going to go on and you’re never going to have any lifting and you’re never going to have any issues. And then you’re going to come to me and it’s going to look just as beautiful as it did when you left me. It does require your hair requires at home care, I always say, because that front hairline right here is always that first point of contact with any kind of outdoors. Also with your fingers, you are going to have the tendency, and again, it depends on activity level and what you’re doing at home. It’s going to require care. So when you come to Hair Club and we’re going over all of these instructions with you, we always give you the instructions on how to touch up the front hairline if you do have lifting.

 

Rachel Rivera [00:18:10]:

Sometimes you’ll get out of the shower, sometimes the little corners will lift up a little bit and all you need is that little bit of adhesive, a little touch up five minutes added to your hair care routine. That is all that you need. And you touch it up, you let it cure a little bit, set your hair back down and you are good to go. And on some occasions you don’t even need to do that. Sometimes you just need to take a little bit of a blow dryer and kind of just heat up that area and dry it up. Because sometimes it’s the water that kind of makes it lift a little bit.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:40]:

Right.

 

Rachel Rivera [00:18:41]:

Push everything back down and you’re good to go.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:43]:

Yeah, so true. No, that’s absolutely it. And you know, the longer you have, and I’ve had my hair system now for years that I know exactly how to do all the maintenance on my own. Earlier on, I was on a trip one time and I was in A different city. And the cool thing about Hair Club is when I was at that novice level and didn’t know what to do, and I should have, you know, thought to do more of the training and learn more of it is there are Hair Club locations all over the country. And so if you ever do find yourself in a pinch or something absolutely insane, happens to be able to pop off and have that ability to go in and get with a hair professional that can help you out, I found always be very comforting.

 

Rachel Rivera [00:19:20]:

Absolutely. And we have over 120 locations nationwide, so there really isn’t anywhere that you can go. You can also, at any point in time, call the center if you have any kind of emergencies, anything that we can talk you through. So we’re always there for you if you do have any concerns. But that’s our biggest thing is majorly is to give you that education that you need so that when those moments do come up, you’re not having those panic moments. And like, oh my goodness, what do I have to do? You know what you’re doing.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:19:51]:

A big thank you to Rachel Rivera for sharing her expertise and helping us break down the world of hair systems and hopefully clarifying what you can expect if you go in for a consultation with Hair Club and decide that a hair system is right for you. They are an amazing option if you’re looking for a personalized solution that looks and feels completely natural. Of course, as we always say on this podcast, there’s no one size fits all when it comes to hair loss. So working with a professional like Rachel can help you start your journey to feeling like yourself again with whatever tools suit your situation and lifestyle best. For more information about all things hair and hair loss, make sure to subscribe to the show on your first favorite podcast app. Thanks for listening to another episode of hairpod. Check us out at Hair Club on Instagram or search Harepod on Facebook to continue the conversation. If you know someone who could benefit from hearing this episode, we would love it if you would share it with them.

 

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Eat Your Way to Healthy Hair: Hair Loss Tips

Eat Your Way to Healthy Hair: Hair Loss Tips

Episode 51

Eat Your Way to Healthy Hair: Hair Loss Tips

Eat Your Way to Healthy Hair: Hair Loss Tips | Julie Olson
In this episode, we sit down with triple-board certified nutritionist Julie Olson to discuss how we can optimize our nutrition for stronger, healthier hair. If you’re curious about the building blocks of hair growth and want expert-backed tips to improve the strength and fullness of your hair, this episode is for you!

Nutrition and Healthy Hair

Julie’s personal experience with hair loss began with a stressful experience and a fast-paced lifestyle. When she left her corporate job, she saw a massive improvement in her overall health. This was the catalyst for beginning her journey as a nutritionist, focusing on making targeted dietary changes to restore her hair naturally. Her story serves as a reminder that proper nutrition is key in any hair loss prevention strategy.

Essential Nutrients for Hair Growth

Protein is critical for healthy hair. Hair is primarily made up of keratin, a type of protein, and without adequate protein intake, hair growth can slow down. Other vital nutrients for hair health include:

  • Iron – Supports oxygen flow to hair follicles, essential for hair growth.
  • Zinc – Aids in tissue repair and boosts follicle function.
  • Omega-3 Fatty Acids – Help reduce inflammation and improve scalp health.

Julie cautions against believing everything we hear online. In her experience, **biotin isn’t always necessary**, despite the hype. Most people get enough biotin through their diet, so supplementation should only be considered if a deficiency is diagnosed. Instead, she stresses the importance of focusing on a balanced diet and using supplements strategically.

Foods to Avoid for Better Hair Health

Some foods can actually contribute to hair loss. Julie explains how highly processed foods, especially processed meats like hot dogs, can trigger inflammation and nutrient imbalances that may worsen hair thinning. Other culprits include:

  • Processed Meats & Fried Foods – Contain unhealthy fats that increase inflammation.
  • Refined Carbs & Sugary Snacks – Can spike blood sugar, leading to hormonal imbalances that impact hair growth.
  • Caffeinated & Alcoholic Beverages – Can lead to dehydration, negatively impacting scalp health.

Julie recommends making mindful food choices to support hair health naturally, reducing inflammation, and improving overall wellness.

Hair Loss Prevention – Holistically

Hair loss isn’t just about what you eat—it’s about how well your body absorbs nutrients and maintains balance. Stress, gut health, and hydration all play a role in whether your body can effectively use the nutrients you consume. Julie emphasizes the importance of taking a holistic approach to hair health:

  • Manage Stress – High cortisol levels can trigger excessive shedding.
  • Support Gut Health – A healthy gut microbiome improves nutrient absorption.
  • Stay Hydrated – Dehydration weakens hair strands and affects scalp circulation.

Rather than relying on quick-fix supplements, Julie encourages listeners to focus on a balanced diet, stress management, and overall wellness. Creating the right conditions internally will promote healthy, thriving hair.

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Episode.51 Transcript

Julie Olson [00:00:02]:

Every day we need to detoxify things, and we can’t do that if we’re not getting enough good, healthy water on our system. Our hair needs to be hydrated too. And again, that hydration, if we’re dehydrated, we’re gonna eat more food. Because if you’re dehydrated, you get hungry when you’re just really dehydrated. But it’s gonna first go to your vital organ and your hair lasts, and then your hair is not going to be healthy. It needs that hydration for detoxification.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:00:44]:

Welcome to HairPod, the podcast where you get to hear real people talk about their hair journeys. I’m your host, Kevin Rolston, and each week I get to interview people from different walks of life whose lives have been touched by hair loss in some form or fashion. Many of our guests have experienced hair loss themselves and found a way to get their confidence and their hair back. We’ve all heard the phrase, you are what you eat. And it’s no secret that your diet can impact everything from your energy levels to your skin health. That’s why this week on HairPod, we brought nutritionist Julie Olson on the show to talk about how to maximize your hair growth and minimize your hair loss. Starting with the food that you eat, we’re going to be talking about the things that you absolutely must have in your diet for healthy hair growth and what foods might be contributing to your hair thinning, especially if you’re eating them regularly. Julie speaks on this topic as a triple board certified nutritionist, but she’s also somebody who’s experienced hair loss herself.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:01:46]:

It was her own hair thinning that tipped her off that she needed to make some changes in her lifestyle. And when she did, she noticed a big difference in her health and in her hair.

 

Julie Olson [00:02:01]:

The whole journey into nutrition and functional medicine started really with a phone call. I was working as a senior media research analyst at Warner Brothers, and I got the call that my mother had stage three breast cancer. So that was the caveat or the whole thing that started my journey. I came back to Denver to support her and got more interested why she got so sick and then realized that I was neglecting my own health. And when my hair started falling out in clumps, I really made that pivot and quit my media career. And I haven’t looked back since. I’m now I have like four certifications and been doing it, what, 14 years now? Yeah, I love it.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:02:47]:

Okay, very cool. That’s great. Now tell me, how did you make that connection? Because you’re losing your hair in clumps. But when did it finally click that? Maybe it’s the nutrition. And how did you find the source of what was causing your hair loss?

 

Julie Olson [00:03:00]:

Well, it took a while but was discouraged because want to, you know, do anything unnatural. And I was also stressed and, you know, living a really fast lifestyle. So I not only for myself, but for my mother, that medicine can be food, the right medicine, and it also could be poison.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:03:27]:

Well, one of the things that’s going on today that people are talking about is the increasing cancer rates in younger people. How is that affected by our diet? How much of it is environmental could have to do with some of the pharmaceuticals that we’re taking today. And what can we do to correct these numbers? You know, just as we’re looking at the cancer rates in younger people, I would imagine that your hair is really no different. So if our medicines, our diet and the environment can affect our cancer rates, I imagine they’re doing the same thing with our hair. So what could be some of these environmental things or maybe some of the foods that could be triggering our hair loss? I think a good place to start would be to talk about the building blocks of nutrition that make up healthy hair. So Julie, can you take us down this path a little bit and tell us what we’re going to be looking for here?

 

Julie Olson [00:04:17]:

The number one building block is protein. Protein is made of keratin, and that’s the adequate protein that’s essential for the structure and growth of hair. Okay, so, but amino. Yeah, that’s number one. Really take a minute though, to break down protein because there’s different types of protein and proteins are made up of amino acids. And the, the body uses about 20 different amino acids to build protein. And we can make amino acids ourselves, but we only get nine of them. And those are known as essential amino acids.

 

Julie Olson [00:04:55]:

And generally animal proteins are known as complete proteins, meaning they’re made up of all nine essential amino acids. Wherever you’re getting protein now, protein is poultry, eggs, fish, seafood, beans. Those are main ones.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:05:15]:

But could you say those for me one more time? That’s a very important thing to hear. What, what are those again? What foods?

 

Julie Olson [00:05:20]:

Okay. Think of even wild game. But you know, if you’re gonna eat red meat, try to eat grass fed meat. But poultry, eggs, fish, fish and shellfish, beans, also known as legumes. And then, you know, there’s plant proteins as well. But those are the, the main per se animal proteins that have a complete amino acid profile.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:05:45]:

Okay.

 

Julie Olson [00:05:46]:

But you know, it’s count when you are eating, like, ulta. Processed animal foods such as hot dogs or chicken nuggets that have those unhealthy fats and a bunch of sodium. I mean, overall, for health. But the general rule is to get 20 grams of protein at every meal, and that’s size of your palm of your hand. Okay, yeah, you know, think chicken, but. And the minimum of 60 grams a day. But ultimately, especially if you’re struggling with hair loss, getting 100 grams a day would be even better. And at that point, you know, whether it’s animal or our plant protein, just get it in.

 

Julie Olson [00:06:25]:

You know that it’s very important because that’s what our hair is made of.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:06:28]:

Now, is there a really big difference? Let’s say we’re talking to a vegan or a vegetarian right now. Is the beef and the animal proteins, is that superior to hair health than the proteins that you can get from your vegetables?

 

Julie Olson [00:06:41]:

Yes, it is. It’s also much higher profile levels. And again, it goes back to those amino acids. You don’t get all the essential amino acids from plant proteins.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:06:51]:

Okay. And is there a ranking when it comes to your meats? Because I’ve heard people talk about regulating how much red meat you’re eating. And your chickens and your fish seem to be a little bit healthier. Would you rank it that way as well, for hair health?

 

Julie Olson [00:07:05]:

Yeah, I mean, I would say that. I mean, I can rank them for you, but just eating whole foods that aren’t processed, I mean, you can even get processed meats. And the process, I, Man, I have a whole conversation on this because even the lunch meats, yeah, they’re a lot of them are packaged in gluten to make them look plump, even like the butter, the, you know, turkeys, most of them, that, that liquid they’re encased in, it’s gluten, and it, it plumps them up. But I’m. That’s a whole different realm.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:07:38]:

But it is. But, you know, I think here I, I just like to qualify the quality of the proteins you’re getting and starting with the quality of the meats that you have. And you’re right. You talk about your hot dogs. I’ve heard demonization on the bacon that, you know, that has some ill effects on the body. And some of those processed meats, even the kind of stuff that you might get on a charcuterie board, may not best thing for you.

 

Julie Olson [00:07:58]:

Right, right. And you want to think just as close to nature as possible. That’s why game meats are just great. I mean, Livers. It’s a perfect liver. Organ meats are the perfect food for hair because they have. Yeah, they.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:08:14]:

Okay.

 

Julie Olson [00:08:14]:

They’ve got every nutrient possible, you know, including vitamin A and a lot of vitamins, other vitamins and minerals. So.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:08:23]:

Okay.

 

Julie Olson [00:08:23]:

Yeah, yeah. I mean, what type of eggs you eat? I mean, you want to get chicken organic. I mean, it’s.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:08:30]:

Does that really make a big difference? Because sometimes I hear there’s free range and there’s organic and things like that. And. Yeah, you know, sometimes when it comes to the food industry, they put a label on something that sounds great and then they charge you a lot more money for it. But truly, organic is a word that is organic.

 

Julie Olson [00:08:48]:

Yeah, it is. And. But that is a really good question because for eggs you want organic and free range. Because organic could be. Meaning organic could be the. Well, they’re eating organic soy. Right. But free range means they’re eating grass and insects like they’re supposed to be eating.

 

Julie Olson [00:09:07]:

And they are more expensive. For sure.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:09:10]:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, Go figure.

 

Julie Olson [00:09:13]:

Yeah, yeah. And then, I mean, you can take it down from there. Let’s use an example of keto diet. Right. People think, oh, well, that would be great because I could get all that protein. Keto is basically protein and fat, but you also need a lot of antioxidants and vitamins and minerals for hair growth. And I can go into those.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:09:36]:

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, we talked a little bit about the proteins and let’s speak to somebody who might be vegan or vegetarian and they said, well, you know what, I’m not going to change my ways. I know that the meat might be superior to give me the vitamins and nutrients that I want, want, but I’m sticking to my legumes. So if you were going to eat a vegetarian or vegan diet and stick to that, what are the best foods you can eat that would fit into those diets? For hair health, there’s.

 

Julie Olson [00:10:04]:

As far as.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:05]:

Are you talking beans, nuts, things like that.

 

Julie Olson [00:10:09]:

Pea protein is pretty good, I would say. Let’s see. I’m not reverse on that because I really just don’t encourage it. I would encourage more for them to eat or to supplement with branch chain amino acids.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:25]:

Okay, what, what exactly is that? And how would you get branched chain amino acids into your body?

 

Julie Olson [00:10:31]:

Well, as a vegan or vegetarian, it would be as a supplement.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:35]:

Okay.

 

Julie Olson [00:10:36]:

You’re a capsule or a powder.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:38]:

Okay. So you could. Yeah. So maybe you could get the nutrients then through a different means and not violate your dietary restrictions.

 

Julie Olson [00:10:47]:

Okay.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:47]:

All Right, that’s really good to know. So the hair is literally built from protein, keratin, the main structural component of hair. And basically the building blocks are these amino acids which come from the proteins that we’re eating. So if you’re not getting enough high quality protein, the body has to prioritize where it sends its limited supply. And unfortunately, hair is not the top of the list. So that’s why getting the right amount and the right kind of protein is really essential for strong, healthy hair. But as important as protein is, it’s only just one piece of the puzzle. There are also key vitamins and minerals that play just as big of a role in your hair health.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:11:29]:

And if your body isn’t getting enough of them or isn’t absorbing them properly, you could start noticing hair thinning, shedding, or even changes in texture.

 

Julie Olson [00:11:43]:

I actually see a lot of people that are eating great, but the problem is they’re not absorbing. And it’s because of this fast paced lifestyle and stress, this chronic stress that people are experiencing nowadays. And they’re not getting downtime, they’re not sleeping, sleeping well. And when you’re stressed, your body is going to give those nutrients to your vital organs to keep you alive, not to your hair. And our hair in our they. I heard of the microbiome, the duck microbiome.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:14]:

Yes, I have, I’ve heard that it has so much to do with the body, but what are some of the big functions? And I’ve seen drinks that you can have like a kombucha to maybe try to deal with, you know, your gut biomes and your good bacteria in there. But what would you recommend and why is it so important to worry about your gut bacteria when it comes to your hair?

 

Julie Olson [00:12:35]:

Well, because that’s how 80% of our immune system is in our gut.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:41]:

80% of our immune systems in our gut you say?

 

Julie Olson [00:12:44]:

Right, right. And we have more bacteria in our gut than cells on our bodies, a 10 to 1 ratio. And the problem is if we’re living this, this fast paced lifestyle, which is, you know, and not slowing down and chewing our food and absorbing it, then our bad bacteria overcomes our good bacteria, just pushes it out again. We have to keep that bacteria happy and healthy. And the way we can do that is not only with nutrients, but like we started to talk about different probiotics and, you know, supplementing and fermented foods, prebiotics that feed the probiotics.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:13:23]:

I mean, what are some foods that would promote good gut health that you like the best?

 

Julie Olson [00:13:29]:

I mean, fermented foods. So you think of, like kimchi, you think of, you know, not sauerkraut, you get at the ball game, but the sauerkraut and that. By the way, any sauerkraut or any of those fermented foods that are sold on the shelf, the fermentation is already dead. So you always want to buy it refrigerated. But like yogurt and then fermented drinks, kefirs and so forth. But then there’s prebiotics that feed the probiotics. So those are sulfur containing foods, the onions, the, you know, various vegetables. But at the end of the day, there are top hair nutrients.

 

Julie Olson [00:14:09]:

You want me to go into that in the top 25 foods for hair?

 

Kevin Rolston [00:14:12]:

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. We’re on a great roll right now. Let’s keep it going.

 

Julie Olson [00:14:17]:

Yeah. So I’m just gonna rattle off the top 25 foods for hair. And some of them are like prebiotic foods. So leafy greens, salmon, olive oil, avocados, onions, pumpkin, Brazil nuts, sardines, gava, eggs, lentils, oysters, organ meats, carrots, grass fed beef, almonds, broccoli, sunflower seeds, bell pepper, cinnamon, bok choy, sweet potatoes, poultry, you know, including duck, you know, like chicken, turkey, duck, mushrooms and kefir. So I rattle off a lot of foods that are not just protein. And I rattled off a lot of, you know, foods that vegetarians can eat. And then so some other top nutrients for hair are vitamin A, which helps moisturize the scalp and maintain healthy hair, and then omega 3 fatty acids. So that’s what you can get from, like, salmon.

 

Julie Olson [00:15:16]:

We need those to help nourish the hair as well. And actually it’s linked to the hair growth due to the proliferation of hair follicle cells. And deficiencies can cause not only hair loss, but lightning of hair color.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:31]:

Oh, really? Oh, wow. So that might be a sign that you’re not getting enough nutrients if your hair gets lighter.

 

Julie Olson [00:15:36]:

Yep. And also a sign of stress. You know, people say I turn gray overnight because of this event that happened.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:43]:

Wow. How about that?

 

Julie Olson [00:15:45]:

Yeah. And then zinc is involved in tissue growth repair, including hair. That’s very important. Vitamin D plays a role in stimulating new and old hair follicles. When there’s not enough vitamin D in the system, that hair growth can be stunted.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:02]:

Okay. All right.

 

Julie Olson [00:16:03]:

Yeah. Selenium aids in the formation of hair follicles or protection against damage. Manganese deficiencies could lead to hair, slow hair growth. Vitamin E helps reduce breakdown of follicles and helps provide the moisture and Soothing of the oil glands. And then, of course, iron. Iron. We talked about the different types of iron at the beginning. But a deficiency or even too much iron negatively affects the normal cycle of hair growth and could lead to excessive shedding.

 

Julie Olson [00:16:34]:

So it’s really important to get your iron levels checked. Okay. And then biotin. Now that’s. Biotin is. Sure, it’s important. Deficiencies can lead to brittle hair that’s more prone to thinning. But really, this whole biotin thing, I’m working on a.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:53]:

Isn’t that something that I’ve heard that they include in a lot of shampoos?

 

Julie Olson [00:16:57]:

Yeah, and that’s. It’s really a myth. It’s kind of a marketing thing. Like, you can even get too much biotin.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:17:04]:

Oh, really? So when you get your shampoo, I mean, is that you’re saying it doesn’t do anything really? No, nothing. Okay, how about that? You know, and my question to you, because you’re talking about these nutrients and you were talking about the diet. You can buy a ton of supplements. But tell me about the absorption rate between food and supplements, because I think ideally you want to try to get it through the food. Right. And not the supplement.

 

Julie Olson [00:17:29]:

Absolutely. 100%. We’re made to eat food, not supplement. That’s why they call them supplements. And you can take too many supplements, too.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:17:38]:

Right? Right. Yeah. I wonder, because, you know, it is a complex game. I was talking to somebody even just today about vitamin D, and they were asking me, well, are you taking vitamin K? I was like, no. And they said, well, you need to take your vitamin K to unlock the vitamin D. I’m like, oh, my goodness. So I got to take a supplement to unlock my supplement. So, yeah, you can really get down a rabbit hole.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:17:58]:

And that’s why I was just curious, because before you know it, you’re trying to get good hair health, and you’ve got 25 bottles, and it takes you half an hour to take your pills in the morning to try to have good hair health. So if you had to say, if I was taking anything in a bottle, what do you think are the best things I should take for hair health that I’ve seen nutrients that come in a bottle just for hair health. Now, would that be a marketing gag like the biotin is, or is there actual value in that?

 

Julie Olson [00:18:23]:

There’s some value in it.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:25]:

Okay.

 

Julie Olson [00:18:26]:

There’s a lot of hair nutrients, but the ones I mentioned, I. So I’ll just rattle them off again.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:32]:

Okay.

 

Julie Olson [00:18:32]:

You know, protein, which you can also supplement with, like we talked about. Vitamin D, vitamin A. Oh no, I didn’t mention niacin. B vitamins, but especially niacin, the flushing type that really helps dilate the capillaries and helps the buildup of calcium and DHT that can otherwise inhibit hair follicle growth.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:51]:

Right, okay. Yeah.

 

Julie Olson [00:18:53]:

Iron again, I, you have to be careful about it because you can get too much. You can get, you can get too much with. I’ll talk about that later. But essential fatty acids, especially the Omega 3s selenium, you know, some biotin, don’t go nuts. Zinc, vitamin E and manganese. And then there’s others that like nettle root and saw pimento really help if your hair loss is because of elevated dht. But back to getting too much, yes, you can get too much, even too much biotin and especially the fat soluble vitamins. And think of as a deck, A D, E and K.

 

Julie Olson [00:19:31]:

Okay. And you can. Fat soluble vitamins, that’s what they are. They, you don’t urinate out the excess.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:19:38]:

Okay.

 

Julie Olson [00:19:38]:

And they hold in your body. You have to be very careful. But even there’s some other fat soluble vitamins that people don’t even know they’re fat soluble and that’s curcumin, turmeric. This becomes so popular, right. Alpha lipoic acid, CoQ10. But you’re right. At the end of the day, our body knows what to do with nutrients from food, not from a bunch of supplements. And it’s also, it’s also a matter of, you know, slowing down and chewing your food and enjoying it and having a meal and not being on the run.

 

Julie Olson [00:20:11]:

And you know, there’s, there’s a lot to also avoid toxins in your environment and you know, get your gut optimized. And I mean it’s just, it’s not as simple as taking a supplement. It’s not. If, if it was that simple, people wouldn’t be losing their hair.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:20:31]:

It’s totally normal to wish that there was one perfect supplement that you can take to make sure that you’re getting all, all the minerals and vitamins you need for your healthy hair. And you may have even seen something like that advertised on social media and consider giving it a try. But it’s important to remember that supplements are good for balancing out deficiencies. But it is possible to get too much of a good thing. If you’re curious about starting a supplement regimen, a great first step is to get blood work done and work with your healthcare provider to determine what’s going to be right for you and make that A part of a balanced, healthy diet. After all, our bodies are designed to process and utilize the nutrients we get from the food we eat. We talked about what foods we should be eating for healthy strong hair. But it’s just as important to think about what we shouldn’t be eating.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:21:19]:

Some foods can actually work against you, creating inflammation, disrupting nutrient absorption, or even accelerating your hair thinning. Now, you talked a little bit about some of the most damaging foods. You talked about the processed foods, your hot dogs, maybe your bacon, things like that. Are there a grouping of maybe three to five foods that you would say please, if you want good hair health, these foods are very damaging for that?

 

Julie Olson [00:21:47]:

Yeah. Processed seed oils, so canola oil, sunflower, all those, all those, those oils. The only good oils are avocado is a good oil. Coconut oil is a great oil. Of course, olive oil, those are all great oils. But the processed seed oils, I mean really, the way they process them, it’s really alarming. It’s basically one step away from plastic and you’re putting that in your body. I mean they, they trans fats live in outlawed a lot of places and that has to be on every process food.

 

Julie Olson [00:22:20]:

How much trans fat is on the, in the package. So yeah, and that just gives it longer shelf life. But those fats are really toxic to our, our body. I mean that it’s, you can’t process them. And then, so those, and gluten is. Because it’s such a large protein and difficult to digest. And if someone’s losing their hair, there’s definitely some other imbalances in their body. And gluten glues down the microvilli.

 

Julie Olson [00:22:52]:

The microvilli are finger like projections in the small intestine that absorb our nutrients and it basically just glues it down so you don’t absorb your nutrients. And then you can become anemic and then, you know, I mean, yeah, that’s, that was one of my problems. So. Yeah, those are some of the main, the main ones. I know I’m missing something. I mean a lot of people can’t digest dairy. And a lot of that’s because the dairy is from cows that are eating soy and just horrible foods in confinement. Whereas raw milk, organic raw milk, grass fed cows, that could be beneficial, you know.

 

Julie Olson [00:23:30]:

Yeah, so those are some of the main ones. You know, any processed food, I mean, if you can’t even pronounce the ingredients on the package, you should be eating whole foods as close to nature as possible.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:23:41]:

Right, But I’ve heard that too, that when you look at A food package, you really shouldn’t have more than four to five items on the back of it. And if there’s anything you can’t pronounce that is in that food, then don’t buy that food. That’s not something you should put in your body.

 

Julie Olson [00:23:54]:

Right. Right.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:23:56]:

Now tell me a little bit, because I’m a big believer in hydration and drinking water. I think it’s good for digestion, good for your skin. So I would assume is hydration good for your hair. And I know you can over hydrate as well, but what is water’s role in making sure you have healthy hair?

 

Julie Olson [00:24:12]:

Oh, 100% important for hair as well, because we have to detoxify as we. Every day, we need to detoxify things, and we can’t do that if we’re not getting enough good, healthy water on our system. Our hair needs to be hydrated too. And again, that hydration, if we’re dehydrated, are we going to eat more food? Because if you’re dehydrated, you get hungry when you’re just really dehydrated. But it’s going to first go to your vital organs and your hair lasts, and then your hair is not going to be healthy. It needs that hydration for detoxification and also cellular turnover and for the whole nutrient processing. And let me also mention that they’ve discovered a new microbiome in our scalp, the scalp hair microbiome. And it also requires a lot of hydration and ATP requires not only nutrients to absorb, but energy from.

 

Julie Olson [00:25:15]:

You know, you’ve heard the Krebs cycle and ATP and water’s needed for that, that cycle.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:25:21]:

Okay. And how much water is needed? They used to have the whole thing, have eight glasses a day or something like that.

 

Julie Olson [00:25:27]:

But.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:25:27]:

But what is a good amount of true hydration?

 

Julie Olson [00:25:30]:

Half your body weight in ounces of water a day.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:25:33]:

Okay. All right, there you go. That’s. That’s cut and dry. I love that. Now, if you had to say one thing just to go into your own hair loss that you had, you talked about it coming out in clumps. You talked about stress, busy lifestyle and things like that. But what do you think was the biggest problem that you had for your own personal hair loss? And what was the biggest cure? What do you think was the most attributable thing that you did to correct it?

 

Julie Olson [00:26:00]:

I think I finally slowed down and decided to pay attention to my own health instead of putting black dress on it. But I discovered that I had really high Upstein Barr Virus, which is also called chronic fatigue syndrome.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:26:15]:

Okay, Right.

 

Julie Olson [00:26:16]:

And so any virus, you know, the COVID virus, they called it the COVID shed, that caused a lot of hair loss, like three to six months after. So I had that. I had H. Pylori, elevated H. Pylori. I had autoimmune celiac problems with gluten. So I wasn’t absorbing my nutrients. I didn’t know why, because my microvilli was glued down.

 

Julie Olson [00:26:41]:

Okay. My gut was really unhealthy. I got dysbiosis. That means an unbalanced gut. I had too much bad bacteria compared to the good bacteria. It was unbalanced.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:26:52]:

How did you correct that specifically? What did you do that was effective in that?

 

Julie Olson [00:26:56]:

A lot of things. I, you know, I got rid of my systemic chronic inflammation. I avoided the gluten. I ate the foods that were right for my body. Yeah, I got the right hydration. That’s important. I, you know, I just prioritize my health. I mean, there’s just a lot more to it than, than that, you know, getting out the toxins.

 

Julie Olson [00:27:21]:

First, you have to identify what toxins are in your body and in your environment and can anything from mold to even like a stressful job or relationship that plays a role on your parent health.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:27:37]:

We have covered a lot of information today. Everything from the best foods for hair growth to the nutritional deficiencies that consume lead to hair loss and even the foods that might be working against your hair health. But if there’s one thing I took away from this conversation with Julie, it’s that your hair health is a direct reflection of your overall health. It’s easy to think of hair loss is something that just happens on its own. And it’s true that some people have genetic predispositions towards losing their hair. But it’s also important to keep in mind that your hair could be an indicator of what might be going on internally for you. If you’re missing key nutrients, if your gut isn’t absorbing what you’re eating, or if you’re under a lot of stress, it’s going to show up in your hair. That’s why taking a holistic approach to hair thinning and hair loss is so important.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:28:26]:

It’s not just about using the right shampoo or taking a supplement. It’s about feeding your body what it truly needs, managing stress, staying hydrated, and making sure your whole system is in balance. Because when you support your overall health, your hair benefits too. So before you reach for a quick fix, take a step back and look at the bigger picture, there might be a small change you can make today that’s going to have a big impact on your hair in the long run. Whether it’s counting your macros, focusing on whole foods, or just cutting back on processed junk, taking steps toward a healthier lifestyle can totally change your hair journey. Like it did for Julie we want to thank Julie for coming on the show to share her wisdom with us for inspirational stories and words of wisdom from people who have been through hair loss. Make sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcast app. Thanks for listening to another episode of hairpod.

 

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Ways to Cope: Trichotillomania and Anxiety

Ways to Cope: Trichotillomania and Anxiety

Episode 50

Ways to Cope: Trichotillomania and Anxiety

Ways To Cope: Trichotillomania and Anxiety
This week on HairPod, I spoke with Meg Weatherman about living with trichotillomania, a mental health disorder that caused her to start pulling out her own hair in the second grade. Listen in to hear how she manages this condition and how she has found hope through support and self-care.

Understanding Trichotillomania

Trichotillomania (TTM) is a mental health condition classified under obsessive-compulsive and related disorders. For Meg, it started as what seemed like a harmless habit—tugging at her eyelashes. However, as the behavior escalated, she began pulling her hair more frequently. Neither Meg nor her parents initially understood the condition, making it difficult to find effective interventions. Many people with trichotillomania struggle with self-blame, but research indicates that TTM is rooted in mental health, often linked to underlying conditions such as generalized anxiety disorder.

The Emotional Toll of Hair Loss

Hair loss, regardless of the cause, can be an emotionally challenging experience. It often leads to feelings of isolation and confusion, particularly for individuals who develop trichotillomania at a young age. Meg began experiencing noticeable hair loss at just eight years old, leading to additional struggles at school. The lack of awareness about trichotillomania contributed to bullying and name-calling from classmates, further increasing her anxiety and worsening her symptoms. This cycle continued until she sought help from mental health professionals. Meg encourages parents and educators to foster empathy among children, as people struggling with hair loss—especially due to mental health disorders—often face silent battles.

Solutions for Hair Loss: Trichotillomania

Finding the right hair loss solution for trichotillomania is a highly personal process, requiring trial and error. Meg experimented with various solutions before discovering what made her feel most confident. She prefers **hair toppers**, which provide the coverage she desires while allowing her to remove them as needed to care for her scalp. Beyond external solutions, self-care plays a crucial role in her journey. Prioritizing wellness, mental health support, and self-confidence-building activities have helped her manage her condition more effectively. While no single solution works for everyone, a combination of personalized hair restoration options and mental health treatment can make a significant difference.

Meg’s story sheds light on the challenges of living with trichotillomania and highlights the importance of awareness, support, and self-acceptance. With the right approach, individuals struggling with TTM can regain confidence and take meaningful steps toward healing.

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Episode.50 Transcript

Meg Weatherman [00:00:02]:

You are beautifully made. God has a plan for your life. I know it’s tough. I know what you’re going through is so hard. But you are going to come out on the other side. You are going to be used for a purpose, and you are going to be okay because he has a plan and you are going to be great. And whether you’re a Christian or not, I think encouraging, you are going to be okay. You are going to get through this.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:00:25]:

You, you are building character. We are going to help. We are here for you. All those things as well. That’s more of what I would have filled myself with.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:00:47]:

Welcome to HairPod, the podcast where you get to hear real people talk about their hair journeys. I’m your host, Kevin Rolston, and each week I get to interview people from different walks of life whose lives have been touched by hair loss in some form or fashion. Many of our guests have experienced hair loss themselves and found a way to get their confidence and their hair back. This week on HairPod, we’re going to be hearing from Meg Weatherman. Meg has lived with trichotillomania, or TTM, since the second grade. For those who may not know, trichotillomania is a mental health condition characterized by a compulsive urge to pull out one’s own hair. This can sometimes lead to bald patches on the scalp, eyelashes, or eyebrows, which can have a big impact on a person’s confidence and self esteem. Trichotillomania is often misunderstood and underdiagnosed due to the social stigma that surrounds both the mental health and hair loss aspects of the condition.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:01:45]:

In today’s conversation, Meg will share her own personal journey, her challenges growing up with TTM, and advice she has for people going through this experience and those who love them.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:02:00]:

Trichotillomania is an OCD generalized anxiety disorder that results in you pulling your hair out. It is a form of release. And at the time, you know, second grade, I started on my eyelashes and I just figured, oh, it’s just a habit. And I used to tell my mom, it feels good. I don’t know why, but it feels good. And over the years, it moved to my eyebrows. And then it moved. Eventually, as life got more chaotic, it moved to my hair on my head.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:02:32]:

And, yeah, and being so young, you don’t know what it is. And I think at that time, a lot of people didn’t know what it was either. It was very, you know, even now, I think only 14% of people have it. It’s very rare. It’s not a well Known, well studied disorder. So being so young and having professionals not even really know what it is or how to treat it, it was very challenging at that time.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:03:01]:

Now, my question, you don’t have to get. I’m not asking you about exactly what was going on, but I am trying to find, did you have a childhood trauma? Did you have something else that was triggering this, or was it just that? Do you know what was causing the OCD and why it got to the point where you were pulling your own hair out?

 

Meg Weatherman [00:03:16]:

Well, in the second grade, no, you know, I think second to about fifth grade, I think. I don’t know how other kids would deal with just stress of school and maybe, you know, making friends and all that, but I think maybe that’s how my personal way of dealing with just stress of nervousness was 6th grade, my parents did get a divorce. That was kind of nasty. So all that kind of amped it all up and that’s when it kind of moved to my head and all that and the hair on my head and everything. So I can see that progression. But as from second grade to about fifth grade, I think it was just. I got nervous. I was just a nervous child with certain situations, and I think that’s how it came about.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:04:00]:

If you will tell me a little.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:04:02]:

Bit about how your parents handled it when they saw that something was going on. Because here you are, you’re doing this in an era where it’s. It’s not really heard of. And you’re probably wondering, why is. Why is my daughter doing this? Why is she. Did you start to get noticeable signs of it? Were you getting little bald spots? And sometimes what happens with trichotillomania.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:04:19]:

So from second to fifth grade, when we didn’t know what it was, I would pull my eyelashes. So I was having like, I had one eye and I focused on this one. I don’t know why, but that has zero eyelashes. And at the time, my mom was like. And my dad, they were like, why are you doing this? And I would say, well, it feels good. I don’t know why I’m doing it. And they’re like, well, we don’t do it. You know, we’re not going to do that.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:04:40]:

And them thinking it was just a nervous habit, you know, it was more of a, okay, well if you do this, we’re going to have to punish you or we’re going to take something away. And like, and I’m not blaming them for that. I think they were doing the best they could, was trying to help me. You Know, get to stop. Because they didn’t know how to handle it. They didn’t understand that it’s an actual chemical imbalance in the brain. You know, no one did.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:05:02]:

Yeah.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:05:02]:

So up until that point of the divorce, when they saw, okay, this is progressing into something bigger, like, she’s going to need to get some help, therapy, counseling. And they started hearing from professionals. She’s not doing this for attention. She’s not doing this just to do it. Like, she actually has a chemical imbalance in her brain. And it became more of a. Okay, well, how can I help relieve some of this stress? Why don’t we, you know, do something? Let’s try. Let’s go out, let’s talk, let’s see a therapist.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:05:31]:

Let’s do. Let’s try to train your brain in another way so you don’t do this as much. Let’s try to find, identify triggers, that kind of thing. So it was a growing process and a learning process for both of us. Right.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:05:44]:

So how long did this take to get to that point? Because I imagine you had to go through trial and error. You had to talk to a lot of specialists, and you had to get to the point where you got a diagnosis so you could try to pinpoint, to come up with a remedy for it. What was that journey like, and how long did it take?

 

Meg Weatherman [00:05:59]:

Oh, it took years. I’m still on the journey, honestly. Yeah.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:06:02]:

Really? Wow.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:06:03]:

I mean, I’m still. I still have tendencies to want to pull my hair out and I’ll still catch myself. Oh, yeah. And it’s. I think it’s just as I’ve gotten older, I’ve identified, you know, the triggers and things like that. And sometimes it is habitual. You really. You’ve done it for so long at this point.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:06:21]:

But back then I would say, oh, gosh, it took years because, like I said, even the professionals weren’t really sure about what it was. Or they would say, okay, well, she’s going through family’s going through divorce. Let’s focus on that in turn. Maybe that’ll help heal some of this that she’s dealing with as well. So it was definitely trial and error. And I actually didn’t get a real sense of help until I went to a doctor. She was just a family doctor. And she said, this is your anxiety.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:06:53]:

And I had never heard, you know, this is anxiety. This is your anxiety, and it is manifesting physically. That was something because you couldn’t see it. It was very foreign. Right. And I got on antidepressants, small dose and we began to see a really big help. And I’m not one that’s, you know, you should or shouldn’t. I think whatever works for you, you should do so.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:07:16]:

Over the years, it’s been, okay, you know, I’m in a really stressful section of, like, portion of my life. I’m going to be on these antidepressants, or I’m going to up my dose or, okay, you know what, things are kind of mellowing out. I’m going to, under doctor supervision, go down in my dosage. And that has helped me, along with, you know, physical activity, working out, eating right, those kind of things. But it has been over the course of 10, 15 years, trial and error and learning, as everybody else learns as well.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:07:49]:

Listening to Meg’s journey is a powerful reminder that dealing with a condition you don’t completely understand and that the people around you don’t understand can feel really isolating. It’s one thing to grapple with your own confusion and emotions, but it’s an entirely different challenge when others around you don’t understand it either. For many kids with trichotillomania, school becomes a tough environment, not just because of the condition itself, but because of how peers react to it. Unfortunately, Meg wasn’t immune to the cruelty of childhood bullies. In this next clip, she shares what it was like to deal with that and how it shaped her early experiences.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:08:33]:

Kids are so not all kids, but a lot of kids are mean, you know, and you see something that’s different. And I think as parents, we really have to. We like, I’m a kid, a parent. I’m not a parent. I have dogs, okay? I have dogs. Those are my kids.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:08:48]:

Wise choice.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:08:50]:

But, you know, I think for my past experience, I remember I would have bald spots and people would call me Patches. I would try to cover things up with makeup. And I did not know what I was doing. You know, I’m like 10 years old, and I’m like, okay, let’s draw on eyebrows today. Oh, they look like lines, right? And then I started wearing wigs and hair toppers and all these things. And I didn’t. But I didn’t have high quality things. But kids were very mean.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:09:19]:

And in turn, I was anxious about being out in public. So then that anxiety manifests and I do it more. So it was a lose, lose situation. But I definitely, for me, I feel like, in a way, I’m thankful for it because it’s given me. You don’t like a view. You don’t know what everybody’s going through. So no matter what someone looks like or what they are, how they are acting, it gives you the opportunity to show grace to them and to maybe be there for them in a way that nobody else is. But, you know, as parents, I think they have a responsibility to.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:09:51]:

If they see their kids maybe talking about somebody who at school is going through something similar or anything different at all to say, hey, you know, like, we don’t know what they’re going through. Why don’t you try being kind to them? Maybe you should try talking to them. And, you know, easier said than done, but it can make a really big impact, 100%.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:09]:

So you had noticeable signs of trichotillomania when you were second, fifth, sixth grade? How long did that manifest itself? How long did you have those? And then what was it like afterwards? Because, you know, we’re. We’re kind of doing this like we’re talking about. Adults are nice, too, but there are adult bullies, you know, and you’ll have somebody that’s a. That should be all grown and should know a lot better that still is going to make a very unchoiced comment about your appearance that can still cut just like it did when you were a kid. So what was that journey like? And how did you start getting on top of your symptoms and the way you looked with the trichotillomania? And what was it like as you got older?

 

Meg Weatherman [00:10:46]:

I think because it hurt so bad, you know, As I was younger, I would carry those insecurities into my relationships as I got older. When I started dating, I was so nervous because I was like, oh, he’s not gonna like the way I look. He’s not gonna like me if, you know, he knows about this. I even had one guy look at me one time, literally look at my head and say, what is this? And your heart sinks because you’re like, oh, my. You know, and it’s like, it breaks your heart because you’re like. It’s actually my biggest insecurity. But thank you for pointing that out.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:11:19]:

Do you remember about what age you were when that happened?

 

Meg Weatherman [00:11:22]:

I was 20 when that happened.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:11:24]:

Oh, no.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:11:25]:

Yeah. And I also didn’t have the best choice in men back then, so.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:11:30]:

Well, that’s what you do at 20, right?

 

Meg Weatherman [00:11:32]:

You know, it’s okay. Thank God for Kyle.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:11:36]:

That’s right.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:11:37]:

But, you know, very much. Gosh, it carried over so much. And even still, you know, I’ll think, man, I wish I could look like this. I wish I could wear my hair like this. But I Feel like I’ve gotten to a place, and a lot of the. And I don’t mean to be preachy, but my faith plays a big part of this. I’m a Christian, so a lot of it plays into, God, please help me. Please fix this.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:11:57]:

You know, when I was little, I would pray, God, please let me wake up and have all my eyelashes. Right, Right. And as I’ve gotten older, I’ve gotten to where I’m like, okay, well, if we’re not gonna take it away, help me use it for good. And I’ve gotten to a place where I accept it, and I’ve realized we all have stuff. We all have things we wish we could change, and we all have things that we struggle with.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:18]:

Right.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:12:19]:

Just because mine looks different than yours, it’s all relative. Right? So I found a lot of strength. I found a lot of strength in being open and honest with it and talking about it openly, because I’m like, if this can help people, why would I not? Right?

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:34]:

Right.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:12:35]:

So that’s the way I’ve learned to view it.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:42]:

Bullying is an experience no child should have to face. But for those dealing with visible conditions like trichotillomania or other forms of hair loss, it’s an unfortunate reality. What’s truly inspiring, though, is how Meg has found strength in her story and the courage to open up about her struggles. It’s a reminder that speaking out, even when it’s hard, can create space for understanding and change. It’s a reminder that speaking out, even when it’s hard, can create space for understanding and change. Her journey also sheds light on an important topic. The important role parents play in supporting kids dealing with hair loss. Whether it’s due to trichotillomania, alopecia, medical treatments, or other causes, the emotional toll of hair loss can be difficult for anyone to handle.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:13:30]:

And especially for children trying to navigate school, friendships and self confidence, it’s normal for parents watching their kids struggle with this to find, feel helpless or unsure of what to do.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:13:46]:

I would say, as a parent, I would be reassuring and comforting, as in, it is, okay, you can try again. We’re gonna try again tomorrow. Hey, don’t be so hard on yourself. Those kind of things, that kind of encouragement, being encouraging, that is so simple, so big, because your child is already frustrated and disappointed in themselves for their own reasons. They don’t need to feel like, my parent is now disappointed and frustrated with me as well, because nine times out of 10, your child is already disappointed in themselves and they’re beating themselves up because of it. So I would say encouraging your child, taking them to get help, talking to their primary care physician about it, about the different things that they believe, doing your own research, being your child’s advocate, but never being angry at your child over something they physically cannot control. You know, I feel like those things combined really, really make for a lot of hope. And honestly, I say I’ll be there for your kid, but really be there for your kid.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:14:54]:

Talk to them, see what’s going on. Say, do you get, you know, ask the questions. Don’t just say, what’s wrong? Really think about the questions that you’re asking. Like, are you nervous about going to school today? Are you nervous people are going to make fun of you? Make detailed questions, not just a generalized question. Because a lot of times, at least for me, I could not pinpoint specifically what I was nervous about or what I was anxious about until somebody said, do you get nervous about this? Do you get anxious about this? How do you feel when you walk into a room and people start looking at you? Things like that?

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:28]:

Right.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:15:29]:

It really is helpful. And then in turn, when they respond, you encourage them. And I feel like, for me personally, that’s what helped me.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:36]:

So that’s a little bit of the mental side of it. Now tell me a little bit about the physical side, because you had mentioned some things that you had done.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:15:43]:

Yes.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:43]:

So if we’re talking about the physical, what are some of the best ways to cover some of the signs of someone who has trichotillomania?

 

Meg Weatherman [00:15:50]:

So it was trial and error, let me tell you, so bad. I have some photos that I think we need to lock away forever. But I pull them out and I’m like, oh, my word. I left the house looking like that. Lord have mercy. But, you know, they have specialists now, like hair club, that can custom make pieces for your hair. I did wigs. I did.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:16:17]:

I had a comb over at one point because I had a lot of bending right here. I was like, right, rocking it. And I was like, those are the photos we don’t need to pull out after a kid.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:28]:

Right.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:16:29]:

But a wig. I used a wig. I wouldn’t recommend a wig unless you absolutely had to. I did get to a point where I was fed up and I just shaved my head and threw on a wig and was like, okay, we’re starting over. I was over it. I was about 18 when that happened, because I was just fed up. I was like, I look crazy. Let’s just.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:16:50]:

Blank canvas. Let’s start over. And I did.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:52]:

And how long did you do that for. Did that get you where you.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:16:55]:

It actually helped.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:56]:

Were you confident in your look?

 

Meg Weatherman [00:16:57]:

It helped a lot because, I mean, I didn’t like the wigs. The wigs were for me, it was not my preference, but it got me to where I could really get a hold of the pulling and my mental state. And your hair is shaved down. You can’t really pull it out. So it was really. I had to learn how to cope in a different way. So that helped me. But I don’t know that I would recommend that for everybody.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:17:21]:

But definitely a hair topper has been my go to. I’ve got this one from Hair Club. It’s great. You just snap it on. They custom match everything. You can take it off at night. And I would also invest in a lot of self care. I love doing things that I know are going to encourage hair growth.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:17:39]:

Scalp treatments, oils, all those kind of things. Because I feel like I’m being proactive with trying to help and encourage hair growth. So all those things have helped me over the course of this whole journey.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:17:52]:

How tied in is the physical to the mental? Because it sounds like as physically you started to feel more confident that mentally your trichotillomania subsided a bit.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:18:03]:

Oh, 100%.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:05]:

So there’s a definite connection between those two things.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:18:07]:

Oh yeah. Because you feel like, and I don’t, I don’t mean this in like a vain way, but you feel like, I don’t want to mess up. You know, I feel so good. I feel like I look decent now. I don’t, you know, people aren’t pointing, people aren’t looking and you know, saying things, it makes you feel like, okay, you know, I, I have, I want to have more self control. I think when you’re in a place where you’re just so not where you want to be physically, you feel like what’s the point? At some right points and you’re.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:35]:

And building your confidence is a big part of this whole process.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:18:38]:

Oh yeah, 100%. 100%.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:41]:

And then having the hair toppers or whatever you used is one of the ways that you got there.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:18:46]:

Oh yeah, 100%. My hair topper has been my saving grace because it’s great. It’s not like you have to wear it all the time. You can take it off, you’re able to see your hair growth, you’re able to cover if you mess up. But it’s not something that’s smothering your head like a wig might be, which I’m not against wigs, but at the same time, you don’t need one or you don’t really want one, you have another option which is really great.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:19:12]:

No matter what type of hair loss you’re experiencing, finding the right solution is usually a journey of trial and error, just like it was for Meg. It can be frustrating and it takes patience and resilience to keep searching until you find what works for you. Like any learning experience, it can be really challenging. And sometimes the greatest healing comes when you find ways to help others with the knowledge you’ve gained.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:19:43]:

So if you had to go back and talk to yourself when you were a third or a fourth grader and you have the signs of the trichotillomania and you’re confused and you’re being bullied and you don’t know how to get yourself looking good and maybe your parents don’t even understand you, somebody’s been through it. What do you say to them?

 

Meg Weatherman [00:20:00]:

Oh, my gosh, you’re gonna make me cry. Oh, my word. I would just. Well, first I would say, and again, I, this is me. So I’m, I’m a Christian. This is just what I would say. I would, you know, you are beautifully made. God has a plan for your life.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:20:18]:

I know it’s tough. I know what you’re going through is so hard. But you are going to come out on the other side. You are going to be used for a purpose and you are going to be okay because he has a plan and you are going to be great. And whether you’re a Christian or not, I think encouraging, you are going to be okay. You are going to get through this. You are building character. We are going to help.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:20:41]:

We are here for you. All those things as well. That’s more of what I would have filled myself with.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:20:49]:

Yeah.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:20:49]:

Back that age.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:20:50]:

And I think, you know, faith based or not, I think that people need to realize that sometimes you go through valleys. You don’t understand why you’re there, but sometimes when you come out on the other side, you don’t realize who is waiting in line that needs to hear from you and they need to understand your struggle. And you don’t have that same kind of impact if you haven’t been through it. I’m not going to listen to somebody that doesn’t relate to my own problems and how I feel. And now you’ve got girls out there that are going through Chicktown mania that it would be confusing. I mean, why am I pulling in my hair? Why am I having these issues? Why am I getting bullied worse than I was. And, you know, I think it’s amazing and I appreciate you coming on to talk to those people out there. And I’m hoping that we can connect with some, you know, little girls or boys that are going through this.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:21:35]:

They can realize that, hey, there’s a, there’s hope.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:21:37]:

And I, I even, you know, I lost my mom this past year to breast cancer. But this whole, her whole fight has been like a six year thing. And when she was first diagnosed, she looked at me and like, one of the first things she said because she’s, you know, fashionista, big blonde hair, all this stuff was, you gotta help me find a wig. So being able to go and do that and have fun while doing it, and the knowledge that I feel like I’ve acquired over time with hair pieces and lace fronts and toppers and all this stuff, I can see how that too was used for good during that season of our life as well. So it’s definitely, definitely been used for good.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:22:16]:

You were able to bond and what a great way to spend the time that you had left with your mom.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:22:21]:

100%.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:22:22]:

One thing I do want to touch on, Meg, is your relationship with your husband Kyle. And what I think would be interesting is dating and having these insecurities and vulnerabilities that you both, in a sense, you know, you had hair needs. And this is interesting that you have a couple that both has their own hair issues. How did you reveal that to one another? And then, because that’s one thing that you’re probably like, you want to put your best foot forward. At what point in your relationship did that come up? And what were those discussions like? And are you helping each other through your hair journeys now?

 

Meg Weatherman [00:22:58]:

I’m so excited to talk about this because I was so nervous about it, but as we dated and dated some more, I did think, I’m like, how am I going to tell this guy, you know, oh, snap, I really like him. How am I going to say, hey, by the way, your girl here is struggling with some things. And one day we were talking and he was like, I think he was looking in the mirror or something. And he was, you know, huffing and puffing. And I’m like, what? He said, my hair is thinning. And I just look at this. Like, I just hate this. And I was like, this is my moment, you know, oh, that’s great.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:23:29]:

I got one even better. I said, well, you don’t say. And then I told him and he was like, what? You know, And I’m like, yeah, yeah, you know, he was a guy, so I guess he. He is a guy. Not was a guy. He is a guy. And he just wasn’t paying that much attention. He’s like, I never would have known.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:23:49]:

And I’m like, yeah, so maybe we are meant to be.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:23:53]:

That’s so cool.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:23:54]:

That is so now he, like, we laughed about it, and we, you know, we would go. We’d go to. We went to Disney World, and he would say. I’d say, make sure my hair doesn’t blow off, you know, and make jokes about it.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:24:05]:

Right? Yeah.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:24:06]:

But at the same time, he would look at me and say, before he invested in a hairpiece from Hair Club, he would look at me and say, okay, if my. Like, we’d be on a boat or something. And he’d say, if my hair looks bad, like, fix it. Or after he would race, before he got his hairpiece, he would say, make sure you’re at my car with my hat, like always. Like, hey, but it was so nice to feel like you have somebody who has your back.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:24:29]:

Right.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:24:30]:

And is looking out for you. Because he would tell me, he’s like, please make sure my hair looks decent. I don’t want to be interviewed with it looking crazy or something.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:24:38]:

Yeah.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:24:38]:

And I’m thinking the same thing about me. Like, I don’t want to be out in public with it looking crazy. And it was just really great to have that person also.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:24:46]:

That’s so cool. That’s so cool. And I think it speaks to people. Don’t realize how many people are suffering from some form of hair loss or another. Whether it’s male pattern baldness or trichotillomania. This is just something that is out there for a lot of people. And you always feel like you’re alone in these journeys, and it’s so not the case. And that’s why it’s so great to talk to you, because you got a journey.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:25:08]:

It’s different than your husband, but together, you guys have this power and synergy together that is fantastic. You both have a great story.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:25:15]:

Yeah. And I feel like it might be different scenarios, but it’s the same insecurities, Right?

 

Kevin Rolston [00:25:20]:

It is. It is.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:25:21]:

So being able to encourage each other, but also be like, I’m making sure you don’t look how you don’t want to look, and you’re helping me out, and it’s just. It’s really, really great.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:25:31]:

That’s how you know it’s meant to be. I love it.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:25:32]:

I know. I’m like, we both don’t have hair. This is a match made in heaven.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:25:38]:

Well, you both look fantastic. I’ve talked to your husband. I love his hair journey as well. It’s radically different than yours. But what you said today, Meg, it’s just going to be so powerful. I’m excited to get all the comments that we get from people when they have a response to this show. And thank you for taking the time to come, come on and tell your story and be so vulnerable today.

 

Meg Weatherman [00:25:57]:

Yeah, thank you so much too, for speaking out about it. It means a lot.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:26:06]:

We want to thank Meg again for coming on the show and talking to us about her experience with trichotillomania. And we want to thank you for listening today. Meg’s courage, honesty and resilience remind us that no matter what challenges we face, whether it’s trichotillomania or other forms of hair loss or any personal struggles, the most important thing we can do is to support and learn from each other. For more inspirational stories and words of wisdom about hair loss, make sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcast app. Thanks for listening to another episode of hairpod. Check us out at Hair Club on Instagram or search HairPod on Facebook to continue the conversation. If you know someone who could benefit from hearing this episode, we would love it if you would share it with them. If you’re enjoying the show, consider leaving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app.

 

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The Truth About Topical Hair Loss Treatments

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Episode 49

The Truth About Topical Hair Loss Treatments

The Truth About Topical Hair Loss Treatments
Topical hair loss treatments are one of the first options many people turn to, but it’s not easy to separate effective solutions from marketing hype. Hair restoration surgeon Dr. Ross Kopelman joined me on HairPod to discuss the effectiveness of topical solutions and how to determine if they’re the right fit for you.

Do Topical Hair Loss Treatments Work for Everyone?

Topical hair loss solutions, including serums and leave-in treatments, can benefit both men and women experiencing mild hair thinning or loss. These treatments, however, require consistency and long-term commitment due to the natural hair growth cycle. Dr. Ross Kopelman often recommends topical minoxidil as an effective option for many clients. Still, he cautions that individuals with aggressive or advanced hair loss may need a combination of treatments, as topical solutions alone might not deliver the desired results.

The Role of Natural Topical Solutions for Hair Loss

Natural remedies for hair loss are gaining popularity, with rosemary oil being a standout option. Dr. Kopelman highlighted research comparing rosemary oil to 2% minoxidil, showing promising outcomes, particularly for those unable to use stronger medications, such as pregnant or breastfeeding individuals. While natural solutions can support hair health, they do not directly combat dihydrotestosterone (DHT), one of the primary causes of hair loss. A balanced approach combining natural remedies and proven treatments may offer better results for many.

Treating Hair Loss Holistically

While topical treatments and natural solutions can help manage hair loss, addressing the underlying cause is critical for long-term success. Dr. Kopelman discussed advanced options like oral finasteride and dutasteride, which block DHT, and oral minoxidil, which extends the hair growth phase. Although finasteride and minoxidil are currently the only FDA-approved hair loss treatments, they may carry side effects. Dr. Kopelman emphasized the importance of working with a hair restoration professional to develop a comprehensive treatment plan that minimizes risks and maximizes results.

Can Hair Loss Be Cured?

The idea of a permanent hair loss cure is highly appealing, but Dr. Kopelman clarified that no definitive cure exists at this time. Future advances in genetic modification and cloning could revolutionize the field, but current options like minoxidil and finasteride remain the most effective tools. Success requires patience, professional guidance, and a customized approach tailored to individual needs.

Dr. Kopelman’s insights highlight that while hair loss treatments have evolved significantly, finding the right solution involves understanding the cause, committing to a regimen, and seeking expert support. This holistic approach ensures the best possible outcomes for managing and minimizing hair loss.

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Episode.49 Transcript

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:00:02]:

Look, at the end of the day, this is about eating a balanced diet, you know, having all the right nutrients, protein, minerals in your diet. And I think if you’re eating a balanced diet, you don’t necessarily need to seek out an intake of other multivitamins. One of the things that I stress to all of my patients is that having a blood test is essential because we want to make sure your levels are sufficient. If your levels are abnormal, then that’s when we want to do replacement.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:00:41]:

Welcome to HairPod, the podcast where you get to hear real people talk about their hair journeys. I’m your host, Kevin Rolston, and each week I get to interview people from different walks of life whose lives have been touched by hair loss in some form or fashion. Many of our guests have experienced hair loss themselves and found a way to get their confidence and their hair back. This week on HairPod, we’re going to be talking about a topic that you’ve almost certainly crossed paths with if you’re looking for a way to remedy your own hair loss. If you’re searching for solutions that are non invasive or even natural, you’re not alone. There are so many options out there, it’s tough to know where to start. We brought in hair restoration expert Dr. Ross Kopelman to break down this topic and give us some insights into what works, what doesn’t, and why.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:01:33]:

I think one of the challenges with hair loss in general is that you really have to have a commitment to using anything that you’re, you’re using on your hair for a long period of time because, you know, our hair goes through hair cycles. Okay. Expect immediate results. So when I read an article and it says patient applied X shampoo to their hair and the next week they stopped shedding or they started to have new hair growth, I’m very skeptical because we have to wait four to six months to really see the results with whatever you’re applying to your scalp.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:02:07]:

Oh, wow. Okay. And what should it look like? If you have something that is effective, what are the things that you start to notice to say, okay, I’m heading in the right direction.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:02:16]:

So, you know, there’s an objective way to look at this and there’s a subjective way. The objective way is that if you were seeing a dermatologist or a hair surgeon, we would do a trichoscopy test. We’d be able to look at with like a fine microscope at the scalp and we would see new hairs popping up. We would see those little baby vellus hairs turning to thicker hair follicles okay. But if you don’t have that flexibility to see a dermatologist or a hair surgeon, it’s really subjective. You might feel that there’s more density to your scalp, there’s less see through. And the other way that you could do it in a more kind of, I guess, objective way is you could take photos. So you take photos when you start and every couple of weeks.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:02:56]:

I want to do it every single day, but I would do it every couple of weeks. I would take progressive photos. And then that’s another way to kind of measure the success that you’re having.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:03:03]:

And just how much can it correct. Now, what kind of hair loss would you have to have? Because there’s so many different, you know, scales of how much you’ve lost. And so who would be a good candidate for somebody who wanted to go with something that might be topical? Because I would imagine that your hair loss wouldn’t be severe for this to be the right option for you. Am I correct in that?

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:03:26]:

So topical hair loss solutions can really be used for most any patients. The question is, how effective are they going to be? That’s really what this boils down to. If you have mild hair loss, I would say that they’re probably going to have a bigger role to play. But if your hair loss is pretty significant, it’s going to be minuscule in relation to taking an oral medication to address your hair loss.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:03:49]:

So we already are talking to a limited number of people that are suffering from hair loss and the people who really don’t have a massive case of hair loss in the first place, correct?

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:03:58]:

Correct, that’s true.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:04:00]:

So tell me about the different varieties for the people that are out there. When you talk about a topical serum, I assume that’s something that you just kind of put on your scalp, but you know, you have leave in conditioners, you have things like hair masks and other things that are out there. What is your thoughts on the topical serums? Are they effective and if so, which ones?

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:04:19]:

Okay, so at the top of the list would be using 5% Rogaine foam. Foam specifically because the liquid form is more irritating to the scalp and because you have to use Rogaine on a daily basis. Now, on the bottle, it’s interesting. I wish I had the bottle in front of me, but on the bottle it says apply twice a day, which you don’t need to do because the half life of this medication is 18 hours. So once a day is more than adequate. Second thing that’s interesting is that we recommend that both men and women use 5% as a concentration when you’re using foam, because the 2% we don’t think is as effective. And even though the bottle says men’s Rogaine, and actually in the back of the bottle of the men’s Rogaine, it says not for women, it’s absolutely safe for women. Okay, so that’s where I would say to start your hair loss journey.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:05:09]:

Why would they do that? Any reason why the company would do that? If it is okay for women, why would they put that?

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:05:14]:

Absolutely. That’s a great question. So it’s likely because the Rogaine was originally approved for treating male androgenetic alopecia. They didn’t go through an FDA trial specifically to address female balding. And I also think there’s a marketing play. Yeah. Because they have created a female 2% bottle and now they have a female 5% bottle. But it’s a pink tax.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:05:38]:

It’s the exact same ingredients are in the men’s Rogaine as. As the female Rogaine 5%. So I would say to any female patients, buy the male bottle because it’s cheaper and it’s exactly the same bottle.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:05:50]:

You are hitting really on what I think the nerve of this conversation is, Dr. Kopelman and I feel like a lot of things are marketing hype out there when it comes to hair loss. And even looking at the effective serums, you see right away that these are the kind of things that if you don’t have a full understanding of what you’re getting yourself into, you can really find a pitfall of spending more money than you need or finding something that is not going to be effective at all in the first place.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:06:17]:

Absolutely. Look, this is a huge market. Hair loss impacts millions of men and women, you know, just in the United States alone. And everyone wants to provide some sort of band aid solution. But not everything works.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:06:34]:

Dr. Kopelman’s insight into minoxidil, the generic form of Rogaine, underscores why it’s one of the most well known treatments for hair loss. With millions of users globally, it’s clear that the market for hair loss solutions is massive, driven by a strong demand for effective and accessible options. But minoxidil is just one piece of the puzzle. While it’s backed by years of research, not everyone is ready to commit to products with active chemicals or medications. And that’s where natural solutions enter the conversation, offering an alternative approach for those looking to promote healthier hair without synthetic ingredients.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:07:16]:

So one of the challenges with all these natural hair loss solutions is there haven’t been really an adequate number of studies really looking at these natural solutions to derive really, truly determine how effective they are. With that said, there are some studies that have looked at, for instance, rosemary oil. And what they did was they looked at rosemary oil with a concentration of. What they did was they. They compared rosemary oil topically to 2% minoxidil, okay. And they found that rosemary oil was as effective as applying a 2% solution of minoxidil, which is promising for a lot of people who don’t want to use any medical solutions to address their hair loss. But one of the things that I’m very hesitant about, which I alluded to earlier, is that we really find that 5% minoxidil, and that’s Rogaine is the commercial name. Minoxidil is, is the medicinal name.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:08:09]:

We find that 5% is really what female patients and male patients need to be on. And the 2% is not going to be as effective. It’s not going to give you the bang for the buck that you want in terms of the effectiveness for your hair. But I am in the camp that 2% rosemary oil is as effective as. Not 2% rosemary oil is as Effective as a 2% solution of minoxidil. And I do recommend it to patients who, for instance, like, let’s say you’re breastfeeding or you’re pregnant or you’re thinking about getting pregnant. You know, there’s a lot of medications you can’t be on. So natural solutions like rosemary oil are absolutely something that I’m supportive of.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:08:47]:

And you can do this in conjunction with using other hair loss medications as well. So that’s rosemary oil. Then we have saw palmetto, which is a pill that you can take. And what’s nice about saw palmetto, and I would actually put saw palmetto up at the top of the list as, as a kind of a natural solution. And the reason is that there’s some evidence that, that saw palmetto acts as a DHT blocker. Okay, now, dht. I’m sorry, Kevin, if I’m going too quickly, but interrupt me at any point.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:09:16]:

I love all this stuff. This is great. You’re on fire right now. Keep it going, baby.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:09:20]:

So DHT is dihydrotestosterone. It’s the major, major contributor for androgenetic alopecia. And so there’s evidence to show that it decreases this floating DHT in our bloodstream, which could have a positive impact on preventing hair loss. Because at the end of the Day. That’s, that’s really what we want to do with the rosemary oil. Rosemary oil is not blocking dht. Okay. And either is minoxidil.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:09:47]:

Both of those work in very similar ways, which is improving blood circulation to the scalp. Okay. And prolonging the growth phase of the hair follicle.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:09:57]:

Very different.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:09:58]:

If I had to categorize DHT and just what it does, in a sense that chokes off the hair follicle. Is that correct? Is that really what DHT kind of does when it gets in there?

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:10:07]:

Yeah, I would say that’s the number one killer in terms of miniaturizing the hair follicle and eventually leading to complete hair loss.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:14]:

Okay.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:10:15]:

But there’s other components. Remember, hair loss is multifactorial. There’s, there’s hormonal issues going on.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:20]:

Yeah.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:10:21]:

There’s, there’s sometimes underlying medical issues that need to be addressed.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:24]:

Yeah.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:10:25]:

And yeah. So we, we have to look at hair loss from multiple lenses.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:29]:

Okay. So one will be good at kind of minimizing the DHT and then the other is more just about blood flow and kind of creating a healthy scalp in a sense having a good garden with great dirt to grow hair in.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:10:40]:

Absolutely.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:42]:

One real quick sidebar, as we were just talking about the hormonal part of it, kind of the double edged sword here is I know a lot of middle aged men who are dealing with, or women too, or dealing with hair loss. They sometimes look into their hormones. And what’s very popular now is these clinics where you can balance your hormones and you can get testosterone and things like that that, you know, give you a little bit more vigor and umph. And are supposed to balance you out. So my question is, if you were doing something like that and you were doing synthetic testosterone, is that going to in any way increase DHT or be a negative effect on you losing your hair?

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:11:21]:

Yeah. So if you’re a female, you’re postmenopausal and you’re looking for hormonal replacement. Well, one of the things I first want to emphasize is that before you went into menopause, your estrogen was very high. And estrogen is protective to prevent hair loss. When you’re in menopause, your estrogen goes for a nose dive and your androgens actually increase. And as they increase, that has an impact on hair loss. And one of the components is, yes, you get an uptick in dht. So if you’re going and you’re getting exogenous testosterone or any increase in those androgens.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:11:56]:

Yeah. That can definitely be a contributing factor for why a female would have progressive hair loss. So it’s something to be cautious about. But at the end of the day, you got to weigh the reasons why you’re getting hormonal replacement. And at the end of the day, our hair is our hair. But there’s probably a different reason why you need those that hormonal replacement.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:16]:

Okay. I just want to know if there’s any kind of cause and effect that was going on there. Now, we’ve talked about some of the natural stuff. One thing that I’m hearing is being hailed as some miracle ingredient for hair growth is biotin. Can you tell me exactly what that is, and is it living up to the hype that I’m hearing?

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:12:34]:

So biotin is an important component that helps build the keratin structure of our hair follicle. Okay. So don’t think it’s not important. But one of the things that I spent a lot of time talking about is that we normally have sufficient levels of biotin. It is very, very rare to have a biotin deficiency.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:56]:

Okay.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:12:56]:

One of the problems is that if you are. If you’re taking in too much biotin into your body, one of the risks is that you can have a misleading lab test. Your thyroid levels could be off, your cardiac levels could be off. Doesn’t mean you have a cardiac problem. It just means that, okay, if you were to have blood tests, the blood test might signal that there’s something going on in your body that’s actually not happening. So I always urge patients, don’t seek out exogenous biotin pills. Avoid vitamins that have biotin in them. I think a small amount is okay to ingest, but don’t go for a biotin specific vitamin.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:13:38]:

And then if your shampoos have biotin incorporated into the shampoo, that’s okay. But again, it’s not something you absolutely need because everyone, for the most part, has sufficient levels of biotin in their bloodstream.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:13:57]:

Dr. Kupelman’s perspective on biotin is a good reminder that more isn’t always better when it comes to supplements. While it’s a popular ingredient in hair health products, he makes it clear that taking high doses isn’t necessary and could even be counterproductive. Instead, he highlights the importance of balance and moderation, especially when it comes to what we put in our bodies. This naturally leads to the bigger picture, how our overall nutrition plays a key role in hair health. Let’s dive into Dr. Koppelman’s insights on how what we eat can Impact the strength and vitality of our hair.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:14:39]:

Look, at the end of the day, this is about eating a balanced diet. Okay? So, you know, having all the right nutrients, protein, minerals in your diet. And I think if you’re eating a balanced diet, you don’t necessarily need to seek out an intake of other multivitamins. One of the things that I stress to all of my patients is that having a blood test is essential because we want to make sure your levels are sufficient. If your levels are abnormal, then that’s when we want to do replacement.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:07]:

Okay.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:15:08]:

If you don’t have abnormal levels, there’s no reason to add additional supplements, vitamins, minerals into your diet because those can cause more harm than good and you can get complications from overdosing on certain vitamins and minerals.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:22]:

Oh, wow. Okay. Well then what kind of foods would you recommend? If I want better hair health, are there a couple things you can lay it on the table that are going to help me out?

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:15:30]:

Again, it comes back to eating protein, eating your vegetables, eating your fruits. All right, as long as you’re eating a balanced diet, I think you’re in good hands. But I really think at the end of the day, what’s important is for everyone to seek out a blood test and just make sure those levels are normal.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:50]:

Dr. Koppelman’s advice about getting a blood test before starting any treatment is a crucial step that often gets overlooked. Understanding your body’s unique needs and potential deficiencies can help guide you toward the most efficient and safe solutions. Once that foundation is set, the next step is exploring proven treatments. When it comes to hair loss, There are only two FDA approved options on the market. Finasteride and Minoxidil. Here’s Dr. Kopelman explaining why these treatments have stood the test of rigorous clinical trials and what makes them the gold standard in hair restoration.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:16:31]:

There are only two medications that are approved by the FDA for hair loss, and that’s finasteride and minoxidil. Off label, we use dutasteride. Now, dutasteride and finasteride are DHT blockers. As we discussed earlier, DHT is a major contributor for hair loss for both men and for women. Finasteride blocks the ability for the DHT to to build up by about 65%. And Dutasteride does it by about 90%. Now it’s off label. There’s not a lot of doctors in the United States that feel comfortable prescribing dutasteride because it’s not FDA approved.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:17:11]:

But as a physician, we can prescribe medications that are off label. And in fact, I put most of my patients on dutasteride and I find it to be most effective. Now with, when we talk about DHT blockers, we can only prescribe these medications to certain populations of patients because you can’t give a DHT blocker to a premenopausal woman who has not been pregnant before because of the teratogenic risk to a fetus. So there’s a limit in terms of what we can prescribe to women. For men, we can prescribe DHT blockers at any age when they’re in their 20s, their 30s and whatnot. The only time we encourage a male to stop finasteride or dutasteride is before they’re trying to get pregnant, because there is some evidence that sperm count decreases. And the last thing that you want to do as a physician is have any contributing factor. You don’t want to contribute at all to why they might not be able to have children.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:18:11]:

But at the same time, there’s no evidence in the literature that that’s ever been the case. But if you want to take the highest level of precaution, I advise patients, to male patients, to stop these DHT blockers. Now, females can take finasteride and dutasteride. When they’re absolutely done having kids, it’s safe for them to do that, and it’s very effective. The next medication we have is oral minoxidil. Now, we talked about Rogaine and we talked about that as a topical solution. Oral minoxidil is also a great medication to do, join in combination with one of these DHT blockers, it’s safe to give oral minoxidil to premenopausal women. And again, when you take an oral pill, it’s very effective at helping prolong the growth phase, thicken the hair follicle.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:18:55]:

So very effective. Now, the third drug I’ll talk about, because we prescribe this commonly to women, is spironolactone. Spironolactone is a drug that’s been used by millions of people to treat acne. But what we find is if we use a small dose for men, it’s very effective for preventing. Now, the finasteride and dutasteride block the ability for more DHT to be made. Spironolactone blocks the ability for the DHT to bind to the androgen receptor. So when we combine a small dose of spironolactone, we can prevent the DHC from binding to the receptor. And so for Women, we give a higher dose.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:19:40]:

For men, we give a smaller dose. And those are really the three main. The four main drugs that are at. Are in our arsenal. And then underneath that, then we go to topical solutions, and we talk about Rogaine, we talk about rosemary oil, we talk about saw palmetto. And there’s. Then, obviously, we keep going down and down and down on the list, and there’s more and more treatments, but the most effective treatments are always going to be oral solutions.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:20:06]:

Really. Okay, over the topical?

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:20:08]:

Over the topical, yes.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:20:10]:

So to hedge your bets, if you are concerned about losing your hair, should you get on everything that you just talked about?

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:20:18]:

So it really depends upon how severe your hair loss is and what age you’re at.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:20:23]:

Okay.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:20:24]:

You really want to throw the kitchen sink at your hair. Now, at the same time, we want to be very cautious because we don’t want complications, we don’t want side effects. So sometimes with some of my patients, we go incrementally. We start where they feel comfortable. But, yes, I’m in the camp that the more aggressive we are at addressing your hair loss, the better. But sometimes it’s better to go slow because you put in one drug, you see how effective it is. You put in another drug, you see how much. What that incremental increase is, and then you can moderate based upon what you think is what’s working and what’s not working.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:20:59]:

Okay. Now, we talk about a lot of oral medications here that you say are very effective, and they’re getting you there, but it’s still not the ultimate cure for baldness. And my question, in your expert opinion. I’ve seen studies that are even done. There’s one about a sugar gel that was made from sugars that occur naturally in the human body. They tested on mice, and it seemed to help them grow new hair follicles. Almost like a miracle cure for balding that you take a pill and guess what? You got. Hair again.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:21:29]:

Are we close to the absolute cure for hair loss in humans?

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:21:35]:

Well, I don’t. I don’t think that’s an. That’s not targeting the root cause of why we have hair loss. I think that study looked at dexoribose sugars in a similar way. They discovered that when you rub this sugar in the area where you’re experiencing hair loss, what it’s doing is it’s stimulating blood circulation and blood flow to the hair follicle, which is important for bringing nutrients and oxygen. Very similar to what we would do if you used a topical minoxidil, a rosemary oil, anything that you’re applying to your scalp to improve circulation. So they’re suggesting that maybe it’s in that camp in terms of being effective to stimulate the growth phase. But what it’s not doing is it’s not targeting that DHT which is contributing to hair loss.

 

Dr. Ross Kopelman [00:22:18]:

And at the end of the day we’re really, Kevin, at the, I think the, the early stages of really being able to target why we have hair loss and genetically do modifications. But that’s, I believe that’s not going to be for a while and a lot of that’s going to come down to CRISPR technology, genetic modifications. I think we have a long time until that happens. I will still be doing hair transplants for a while.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:22:47]:

While the technology and treatments we have today can’t completely cure hair loss, the scientific community is making progress in understanding and targeting its root causes. From the science behind FDA approved treatments to the role of nutrition and natural solutions, Dr. Koppelman provided many valuable insights to help demystify the options that are out there. We want to thank Dr. Koppelman for sharing his expertise and shedding light on the thoughtful on the science backed approach we can take toward better hair health. His practical advice is a great reminder that while the journey may not be easy, the tools to take the first step are within reach.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:23:26]:

If you want to take the first.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:23:28]:

Step, check out our show Notes for a link to a free consultation to determine the extent of your hair loss and to start the process of getting yourself back to a healthy, full head of hair. For more inspirational stories and words of wisdom from people who have been through hair loss, make sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcast app. Thanks for listening to another episode of hairpod. Check us out at Hair Club on Instagram or search HairPod on Facebook to continue the conversation. If you know someone who could benefit from hearing this episode, we would love it if you’d share it with them. If you’re enjoying the show, consider leaving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. We also have a website. Check it out by going to podcast.hairclub.com we’re here to build people up and share real stories so people experiencing hair loss feel a little bit less alone.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:24:21]:

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Hair Loss & Hashimoto’s Disease

Hair Loss & Hashimoto’s Disease

Episode 48

Hair Loss & Hashimoto’s Disease

Hair Loss & Hashimoto's Disease | Emily Kiberd
Is thyroid dysfunction causing your hair loss? In this episode, I sat down with Dr. Emily Kiberd, an expert in thyroid health. She talked about this little organ’s role in all the processes in our bodies, symptoms of thyroid dysfunction, and practical steps you can take today to improve your thyroid’s health.

Thyroid Function and Hair Health

The thyroid gland, a butterfly-shaped organ, plays a critical role in regulating every metabolic process in the body by secreting essential hormones. Symptoms of thyroid dysfunction can include fatigue, difficulty losing weight, brain fog, feeling cold, and hair loss. According to Dr. Kiberd, many women experience these symptoms for up to ten years before receiving proper treatment. The connection between thyroid health and hair loss is often overlooked, making early detection and management essential.

Is a Thyroid Disorder Causing Your Hair Loss?

Diagnosing thyroid-related hair loss begins with simple blood tests to detect hypothyroidism or hyperthyroidism. However, recognizing the symptoms as thyroid-related may require a specialist. Hashimoto’s Disease, an autoimmune thyroid disorder, is responsible for 90% of hypothyroidism cases. Stress, hormonal changes, nutritional deficiencies, and environmental factors can trigger thyroid issues in genetically predisposed individuals. Reducing stressors on the body is key to alleviating symptoms like hair thinning and restoring hormonal balance.

Improve Your Thyroid and Hair Health

Dr. Kiberd emphasizes the importance of a holistic approach to thyroid health. Start with dietary adjustments that include nutrient-dense foods like lean proteins and vegetables, ensure adequate sleep, manage stress effectively, and avoid overtraining. Identifying environmental stressors and adopting healthy lifestyle habits can significantly improve thyroid function. While self-care is a great starting point, working with a healthcare professional is essential for accurate diagnosis and tailored treatment plans. This approach not only supports thyroid health but can also promote faster hair regrowth if thyroid dysfunction is the underlying cause of your hair loss.

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Episode.48 Transcript

Emily Kiberd [00:00:02]:

Well, I would say that the majority of women who have Hashimoto’s have had symptoms 10 years before they actually got diagnosed. Some of the symptoms would be fatigue, difficulty losing weight, brain fog, feeling cold all the time. So feeling like maybe they need to wrap themselves up in a scarf, but it’s not that cold outside, constipation, feeling like food kind of sits in your stomach, moving slow through your stomach. And so most women, it takes about 10 years before they get to their

 

Emily Kiberd [00:00:28]:

diagnosis, even though they had symptoms early,

 

Emily Kiberd [00:00:31]:

and maybe their symptoms were brushed off.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:00:46]:

Welcome to HairPod, the podcast where you get to hear real people talk about their hair journeys. I’m your host, Kevin Rolston, and each week I get to interview people from different walks of life whose lives have been touched by hair loss in some form or fashion. Many of our guests have experienced hair loss themselves and found a way to get their confidence and their hair back. This week, we’re going to be talking about one small organ in the human body and its profound impact on every metabolic process, including digestion, brain function, and, yes, even hair growth. When this system gets out of whack, for some reason or another, both men and women can experience hair thinning. If you haven’t guessed already, we’re going to get educated on the thyroid, how it works, symptoms of thyroid disorders, and most importantly, what you can do right now to start taking care of your thyroid. And there’s nobody better to help us out with this than Dr. Emily Kiberd.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:01:42]:

After being diagnosed with Hashimoto’s disease, he she modified her lifestyle to support her physical health, and now she helps others do the exact same. So whether you’re already concerned about your thyroid health or you’re not even sure what the thyroid does, you are in the right place.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:02:01]:

So the thyroid gland is a little butterfly shaped gland in the front of our neck, and it secretes hormones that are responsible for every single metabolic process in our body. Every single cell needs thyroid hormones.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:02:16]:

Every single cell, everything that your body.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:02:19]:

Is regulated by the thyroid?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:02:22]:

Yeah. So every metabolic process, your heart beating, digestion, hair growth, the nutrition of your skin, brain function, every single thing, every.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:02:33]:

Metabolic process in the body needs thyroid hormones.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:02:36]:

So when there is dysfunction of our.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:02:38]:

Thyroid, it shows up in every single organ system of the body.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:02:43]:

So I’ve heard of people that have a thyroid condition. I assume it starts with symptoms, but then how do you get to the point where you can actually diagnose and say you have a thyroid condition? What points the finger exactly to the thyroid?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:02:58]:

Yeah.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:02:58]:

So typically it’s a blood draw where we’re looking at different thyroid markers. Not only how much thyroid hormone is your thyroid secreting, but also the signal from the brain to the thyroid to say, hey, squirt some thyroid hormones. And then also your ability to convert the thyroid hormone from the inactive to.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:03:22]:

The active form so that it can get pushed into the cell and actually used.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:03:27]:

Okay.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:03:28]:

And then there’s also tests to see.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:03:30]:

If you have antibodies attacking your thyroid.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:03:33]:

Hormones, not only from the thyroid gland, but but also thyroid hormones circulating in the blood. So it’s a blood test.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:03:40]:

Okay.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:03:40]:

And you usually put symptoms and match.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:03:44]:

It with the blood test.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:03:45]:

When you have a problem with your.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:03:46]:

Thyroid, what typically triggers that problem? What makes it an issue?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:03:50]:

Yeah, so typically there is some stressor. Sometimes it’s transition through hormonal phases of life, so pregnancy or postpartum moving into perimenopause or menopause. It can also be stressors from nutrition or some sort of exposure to something. Food sensitivities, environmental load.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:04:12]:

Can even be emotional stressors affecting the thyroid gland.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:04:15]:

Like going through a divorce or, you.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:04:18]:

Know, losing a loved one. Yeah.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:04:20]:

So it sounds to me like when you have a thyroid condition, you may be able to diagnose that you have a thyroid condition, but then figuring out what has triggered the issues with the thyroid, that could be more complicated.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:04:32]:

Yeah.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:04:33]:

So typically, people are starting to feel tired, and not just tired after they.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:04:39]:

Exert themselves, but they wake up tired, and they’re tired all day. Typically, they have trouble losing weight.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:04:44]:

So what used to work, like move more, eat less isn’t working anymore, and.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:04:49]:

They’Re putting on weight, and they’re holding.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:04:51]:

Onto it, and they don’t know why.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:04:53]:

Their brain starts to get foggy.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:04:55]:

They’re like, oh, I.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:04:56]:

Where’s my keys?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:04:57]:

How it. Like, they try to end their sentence and they forgot what they were saying or where they were going, and digestion slows. This is specifically for hypothyroidism.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:05:06]:

So an underactive thyroid.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:05:08]:

You can also have hyperthyroidism, where you.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:05:10]:

Have an overactive thyroid.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:05:11]:

And the symptoms would be the opposite of what I’m saying. But right now, specifically, I’m talking about hypothyroidism.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:05:17]:

So your digestion slows constipation. And then one of the other things that shows up is hair loss.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:05:22]:

So people showering and, like, clumps, chunks of hair coming out or the outer third of your eyebrow starting to disappear. You know, women having to be like, oh, I got to. Got to pencil that in.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:05:38]:

If you’re experiencing Hair thinning, along with other symptoms like fatigue and weight changes. Learning about hypothyroidism is a great first step, but for many people, it’s not the whole story. Hypothyroidism, also known as an underactive thyroid, happens when the body isn’t producing enough thyroid hormone. But that can have an underlying cause, an autoimmune condition called Hashimoto’s disease. Hashimoto’s is one of the most common causes of hypothyroidism, yet is often overlooked or even misunderstood. Unlike hypothyroidism that may develop for other reasons. Hashimoto’s involves your immune system attacking your thyroid, creating a cycle of inflammation and hormonal imbalance that can wreak havoc on your body and, yes, your hair.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:06:29]:

So Hashimoto’s is. It’s an autoimmune condition. So basically your body is attacking itself. And the components of Hashimoto’s are an underactive thyroid. So a thyroid that is slowing down.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:06:41]:

So all those symptoms I just shared.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:06:43]:

Hair loss, weight gain, fatigue, brain fog, feeling cold all the time, like you can’t regulate your metabolism or your heat generation. And 90% of people who are hypothyroid.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:06:55]:

So have an underactive thyroid, have the autoimmune piece. So 90% of people who have an.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:07:01]:

Underactive thyroid, the cause of it is from an autoimmune reaction.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:07:06]:

Right.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:07:06]:

And that’s where we start to look at stress, underlying root causes, gut health, environmental load. Usually there’s inflammation involved because the antibodies are getting driven up.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:07:18]:

So the difference between Hashimoto’s is that.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:07:21]:

There’S the presence of thyroid antibodies versus.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:07:25]:

Hypothyroidism is just your thyroid hormones are.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:07:28]:

Looking sluggish, but there’s not a presence of antibodies.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:07:32]:

So that’s the difference.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:07:33]:

But if you have a slow thyroid, the chance of having the autoimmune piece, 90%.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:07:40]:

Okay. So you see things like hair loss, you talk about some of the symptoms that happen with this. And when you start looking at somebody and they, they seem to have these kind of things, how do you start to reverse the processes of Hashimoto’s and how difficult is it?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:07:58]:

Yeah, so we take a look at.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:08:00]:

Things that are foundational.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:08:02]:

So how are you eating? There’s a lot of research showing that gluten sensitivity can drive up your thyroid antibodies. So maybe one of the recommendations would be going gluten free, seeing if that changes your labs and your symptoms. Another piece would be, you know, working out sometimes over training can be a stressor and can Drive up antibodies. Right.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:08:26]:

Another piece would be sleep, and then.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:08:28]:

Another piece that I always look at.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:08:30]:

Is just nervous system regulation and stress.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:08:33]:

So I had a client who, after her second kid, she was really tired.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:08:38]:

And she kept going to the doctor.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:08:40]:

And the doctor’s like, mm, I think it’s just your postpartum, your new mom.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:08:43]:

And then she went to her hairdresser, and her hairdresser’s like, you have chunks of hair, like you have bald spots in the back of your head.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:08:49]:

And she’s like, it was actually the hairdresser that said, I think you need.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:08:54]:

To go to an endocrinologist and get your thyroid checked.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:08:57]:

It was the hairdresser.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:08:59]:

That’s crazy. And only then did she then go to the endocrinologist, like, really push for it because it is a specialist. And get a full breadth of labs, because sometimes doctors who maybe aren’t trained.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:09:15]:

In endocrinology or thyroid hormones only look.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:09:18]:

At, like, you know, a certain number of labs versus there actually are more labs to look at to really see this conversion happening.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:09:25]:

Are there presence of antibodies?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:09:27]:

And so, you know, then she got on thyroid medication, and she started to.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:09:31]:

Clean up her diet because she did have antibodies.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:09:33]:

She started to change how she was working out.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:09:35]:

Okay.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:09:35]:

And her hair grew back. She worked on some gut health H.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:09:39]:

Pylori and Sibo that came up some.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:09:41]:

Gut infections that were just adding stress.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:09:44]:

And load to her system.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:09:45]:

You know, people often talk about think of your body as like a cup.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:09:48]:

So all the little stressors.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:09:50]:

Right. So if you have, like, an underlying gut infection, you have some food sensitivities, you know, you’re having a hard time at work, like, all of this fills your cup until it overflows.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:10:00]:

Typically, there’s a genetic component to having.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:10:03]:

An autoimmune condition, and these stressors are just adding to the genetics of it that then kind of trip your genetic.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:10:11]:

Predisposition to turn on the gene of.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:10:13]:

Having an autoimmune condition.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:15]:

How do you know if you have that predisposition? Is it because you always see it in your parents or your relatives or how would you know?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:10:23]:

Yeah, I mean, sometimes it’s parents, sisters.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:10:27]:

You know, siblings, sometimes it’s grandparents. So.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:10:31]:

Yeah.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:31]:

And what do you look for? How would you know that they have had a thyroid condition?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:10:35]:

Probably very similar symptoms.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:10:38]:

So difficulty losing weight, always tired. Hair loss, for example. Like, I was diagnosed with Hashimoto’s after.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:10:45]:

The birth of my first kiddo back.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:10:46]:

In 2016, and my mother has thyroid issues. I always kind of like, brushed it Off.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:10:51]:

And then my sister has thyroid issues. So definitely a genetic piece.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:10:56]:

My mother had ablation, basically, you know, radiation over thyroid, and now is on thyroid meds.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:11:03]:

I chose to go more of a.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:11:05]:

Holistic approach of like, okay, I’m gonna.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:11:07]:

Change how I eat and how I.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:11:08]:

Work out, and I’m gonna look at gut and look at environmental load like mold and parasite exposure. And I put mine into remission.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:11:16]:

So I don’t have the symptoms.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:11:17]:

My labs look good, but I still, I know I still have the genetics. So two very different ways of kind of approaching it and addressing it with two very different outco foreign.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:11:31]:

So we have unpacked Hashimoto’s and its impact on your thyroid and your hair. But here’s the thing. Hair loss has many possible causes, from stress and genetics to nutritional deficiencies and hormonal imbalances. It can be tough to pinpoint the exact reason your hair might be thinning. So how do you know if your thyroid is the root cause?

 

Kevin Rolston [00:11:51]:

Well, this is where it gets tricky.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:11:53]:

Thyroid related hair loss typically overlaps with other symptoms, but they can be subtle, especially if the changes have been happening slowly over time. It’s important to listen to your body and if you have significant concerns, to seek a professional diagnosis from a physician.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:12:13]:

Well, I would say that the majority of women who have Hashimoto’s have had symptoms 10 years before they actually got diagnosed.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:21]:

Okay, what would they be looking for? What would some of the symptoms be?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:12:24]:

Some of the symptoms would be fatigue, difficulty. Some of the symptoms mentioned before.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:12:28]:

Difficulty losing weight. Brain fog.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:31]:

Yeah.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:12:31]:

Feeling cold all the time.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:33]:

Okay.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:12:33]:

So feeling like maybe they need to like wrap themselves up in a scarf. But it’s not that cold outside. Constipation, feeling like food kind of sits.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:12:41]:

In your stomach, moving slow through your stomach.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:44]:

Okay.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:12:45]:

And so most women, it takes about.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:12:47]:

10 years before they get to their.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:12:48]:

Diagnosis, even though they had symptoms early.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:12:50]:

And maybe their symptoms were brushed off. To get diagnosed is actually not that.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:12:55]:

Hard and it’s not that expensive, you.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:12:57]:

Know, but it’s just that I think many potentially trained professionals aren’t always looking for it. So, like, when someone comes to me anytime they have fatigue, I’m thinking, okay, just rule, like, let’s test, not guess. Let’s rule out any sort of, any sort of thyroid symptoms or thyroid as a root cause.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:13:18]:

So as we talk about Hashimoto’s, we talk about the thyroid and how it affects hair loss. How do you start to zero in on the diagnosis that your hair loss is being caused by either one of these things. Is there a way to figure that that is the cause of your hair loss?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:13:36]:

Yeah, I think it would go back to if someone was losing hair as part of. If you were going to make a list.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:13:44]:

So in the medical world, we call this a differential diagnosis. All the potential difference, like potential causes.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:13:50]:

Of hair loss, and then testing to see if those are coming up positive. So, you know, as it relates to.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:13:58]:

Hair, the thyroid hormones are very crucial for the growth and the maintenance of your hair follicles. So when you’re hypothyroid, you have an underactive thyroid. You don’t have enough of these optimal levels of hormones. It now disrupts the normal hair growth cycle.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:14:15]:

And hair follicles, when you’re hypothyroid can sit in this, like, kind of resting phase, which can lead to hair loss, can lead to hair thinning. So it’s like your body is showing you the sign, and then you just.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:14:30]:

Need someone to be like, hey, let’s just see if your thyroid is causing.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:14:34]:

That, or is there something else causing it? Right.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:14:37]:

So a really good practitioner would make.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:14:39]:

A differential diagnosis test.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:14:41]:

Okay, is it your thyroid? Is it this? Is it this? Get to the root cause and then.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:14:45]:

Address it so that ideally, hair growth could happen again.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:14:49]:

Right now, if somebody’s listening to this.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:14:52]:

And it’s speaking to them and they’re thinking that you might be talking to them about what they might have when they go to their doctor, what do they need to ask? Do they ask specifically for a thyroid test? Or what is the request that you make to your doctor?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:15:05]:

Yeah, I mean, you could ask, like, hey, can you check my thyroid?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:15:08]:

Could you do a full thyroid panel.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:15:10]:

And make sure you check thyroid antibodies? I think a really good practitioner, it’s not the client coming asking the questions.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:15:18]:

It’s the practitioner guiding the way and.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:15:20]:

Asking the right questions to get to the root cause, which doesn’t always happen. Right. But I think as an empowered individual, and I’m very much that way, too. Like, I want to go to the.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:15:28]:

Doctor and be empowered with the right questions.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:15:30]:

So if I was losing hair, I would want a thyroid test. I would want to check a full iron panel, because iron can affect hair growth. I would want to check vitamin D, because vitamin D helps regulate the cycle of the hair follicles and probably B vitamins. Right. So folate, B12, biotin, methylmalonic acid. I’d want them to check for zinc from a mineral perspective. Not like most primary cares might.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:15:58]:

Probably won’t do that.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:15:59]:

They’re like, we’ll check your thyroid, vitamin D and iron, but definitely because certain.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:16:03]:

Nutrient deficiencies can lead to hair loss.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:16:07]:

So I would want those checked as well.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:09]:

Even if you don’t get the diagnosis, you’ve talked a bit about what nutrition and out exterior factors play in thyroid health.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:16:18]:

Yeah.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:19]:

If I just want to change the game today, what are the foods I need to avoid? What are the things I should be putting in my body if I feel like I have some of these symptoms that immediately would start giving me the good gut health. That would help possibly with the thyroid issue. What do I eat? How do I sleep? What do I do? So I can start correcting it even before I get to the doctor.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:16:40]:

Yeah. So I think eating protein and veg, I think hitting your optimal protein amount per day, 30 grams minimum per meal.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:16:49]:

You could shoot for one gram per.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:16:51]:

Pound of ideal body weight.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:53]:

Okay, that’s a good factor.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:16:54]:

Yeah.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:16:55]:

Nutrient dense foods, protein, veg, which for.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:16:58]:

A lot of people might be like.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:16:59]:

Whoa, that feels really extreme.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:17:01]:

But you know, I think if you want the most bang for your buck, protein is very nutrient dense, so you’re going to get the most nutrients out of it for not a lot of calories, for example. So in terms of sleep, you want, I would say eight hours of sleep, but not only that, you want one.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:17:20]:

And a half to two hours of deep sleep. So if anyone actually tracks their sleep.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:17:24]:

And you know, a device like an.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:17:25]:

Aura or whoop, you want to see 1 1/2 to 2 hours of deep sleep. If you’re not getting that deep sleep.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:17:30]:

That restorative, restful sleep, you’re going to have brain fog and fatigue and probably have a hard time losing weight and that, you know, your body needs to clear out old dead cells and restore itself. So that would be a piece of sleep.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:17:46]:

I think a lot of us probably.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:17:48]:

Get unnecessary blue light at night if we are have the TV on before.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:17:53]:

We go to bed or if we’re looking at our screens. So how can we minimize that blue light? Because that’s going to disrupt your melatonin.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:18:00]:

That hormone that puts you to bed. So you could either not get on your phone three hours before bed, which.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:18:05]:

I would say majority of people have.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:18:07]:

A hard time doing. Or not that I’ve lost faith in humanity whatsoever.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:18:12]:

I have not.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:18:13]:

But like, you know, just to get honest here.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:15]:

Yeah.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:18:16]:

Or you could wear blue blocker glasses.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:18:19]:

Which are filtering out the blue light. Right.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:18:20]:

And I tell you, when I put on my blue blocker glasses, I immediately am like, whoo. Like really go to Bed early. Like, I feel like, hey, like my melatonin is kicking in, right? Go to bed earlier, get better quality sleep. So in terms of sleep, that would be something, I think, in terms of exposure. So when we think about an autoimmune condition, there’s three factors. There’s genetics, there’s stress, and then there’s gut health. Stress could be in the form of.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:18:47]:

Emotional stress, environmental stress.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:18:49]:

And so it’s not if we get exposed to things like pesticides, herbicides, mold exposure, it’s when it’s kind of inevitable. Right. A lot of that stuff is in our food, in our air.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:19:01]:

So how can we just minimize exposure?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:19:04]:

Getting a high quality water filter, an air filter. You know, I take supplements to help just support detox pathways to whatever I.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:19:13]:

Do get exposed to, to move it.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:19:14]:

Through the body and, you know, like, what was it two summers ago, maybe even last summer?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:19:21]:

Like tons of forest fire, right.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:19:23]:

Like New York City turned brow for two days straight. Like there are environmental factors that can.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:19:29]:

Affect inflammation in the body, can affect environmental load in the body.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:19:34]:

And so it’s kind of inevitable.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:19:36]:

So what can we do to really.

 

Emily Kiberd [00:19:37]:

Minimize and mitigate the exposure that we’re getting?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:19:40]:

Some of those things I mentioned.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:19:42]:

Now, my question, you talked about a.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:19:44]:

Lot of things that even aside from Hashimoto’s or a thyroid issue, you’re just talking about good general wellness, the things that you’re giving me dietarily and what you need to do with sleep and trying to avoid stress and those kind of factors. So let’s say that I am experiencing hair loss or some of the symptoms you’re talking about. Is this something I just can correct on my own and maybe I give this a trial run of listening to your advice and I don’t need to go get a diagnosis for thyroid or Hashimoto’s and I’ll be okay. Or do I need to get under a doctor’s career to properly deal with the thyroid issue or Hashimoto’s?

 

Emily Kiberd [00:20:23]:

Yeah. I would say that if you want quicker results and you want to feel better quicker, I think working with someone will speed that process.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:20:39]:

We’ve explored how the thyroid, particularly in conditions like Hashimoto’s disease, can have a profound impact on your health and your hair. If there’s one takeaway from today, it’s this. Hair loss can be complex. And the sooner you consult a professional about potential underlying causes like thyroid function, the sooner you can take meaningful steps towards solutions that work for you. A big thank you to Dr. Kaiburn for sharing her insights and expertise on thyroid health. This was an enlightening look at how your hair loss, thyroid, hormones and general wellness all are linked together. We’re definitely going to be having her back on the show to tell us a little bit more, so be sure to subscribe if you’d like to hear more on the thyroid and hair loss.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:21:21]:

Thanks for listening to another episode of hairpod. Check us out at Hair Club on Instagram or search HairPod on Facebook to continue the conversation. If you know someone who could benefit from hearing this episode, we would love it if you would share it with them. If you’re enjoying the show, consider leaving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. We also have a website. Check it out by going to podcast.hairclub.com we’re here to build people up and share real stories so people experiencing hair loss feel a little bit less alone. And when you share, review and subscribe, it helps us do just that. So thank you.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:21:56]:

Until next time.

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Episode 47

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Hair Loss Miracle Cures Debunked Dr. Phipps

Hair loss “miracle cures” dominate social media, with before-and-after photos that often seem too good to be true. This week on HairPod, I discuss what works, what doesn’t, and the science behind hair loss treatments with expert Dr. Phipps.

Hair Loss Cures: Hope or Hype?

Hair loss can be an emotional challenge, and the market is flooded with “miracle” cures that promise unrealistic results. With so many options, it’s difficult to differentiate between scientifically proven solutions and mere fads. Working with a professional who understands your specific type of hair loss can save you time, money, and disappointment. Personalized guidance is crucial for navigating treatments effectively and avoiding products that overpromise and underdeliver. (See our resources section for a link to a complimentary consultation!)

Stem Cell Therapy for Hair Loss

Stem cell therapy has been touted as a revolutionary treatment for hair loss. However, Dr. Phipps emphasizes that this method is not FDA-approved for hair restoration. While stem cells have demonstrated regenerative properties in other medical fields, their efficacy and safety for hair loss remain unproven. Dr. Phipps urges individuals considering this treatment to consult medical professionals who adhere to regulatory practices. Without FDA clearance, stem cell therapy is still an experimental approach with no guaranteed results.

Are Essential Oils Effective for Treating Hair Loss?

Natural treatments, such as essential oils, have gained traction on social media as potential solutions for hair loss. According to Dr. Phipps, botanicals like pumpkin seed oil and rosemary oil may stimulate hair follicles, encouraging growth in areas of thinning. However, they are unlikely to regrow hair on completely bald areas. Additionally, cheaper essential oils often lack the potency needed for significant results due to the high cost of proper distillation. While these treatments may have some effect, they are not a standalone solution for severe hair loss.

Supplements for Hair Health and Growth

Supplements and vitamins play an important role in overall hair health but are not standalone solutions for regrowing hair or halting hair loss. Their effectiveness depends on the type of hair loss and the quality of the supplements themselves. Partnering with a qualified hair growth expert ensures that the supplements you use have been rigorously tested. When incorporated into a comprehensive regimen, supplements can strengthen hair shafts and support overall hair health, enhancing the effects of other treatments.

The Best Treatments for Hair Loss

The most effective hair loss treatment plans are tailored to the individual’s specific condition and adopt a holistic approach. Medications like finasteride remain among the safest and most proven options for hair regrowth and retention. When integrated into a broader regimen, they deliver significant results for many people. Dr. Phipps advises skepticism toward treatments that seem “too good to be true” and encourages those experiencing hair loss to consult professionals to explore proven solutions. While there’s no one-size-fits-all cure, many effective options are available to restore confidence and hair health.

By understanding the science behind these treatments, you can make informed decisions and achieve better outcomes.

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Episode.47 Transcript

Kevin Rolston [00:00:02]:

I think that I would rather spend my money on something that I know is going to give me hair. And so if you’ve got a bald spot, the essential oil is not going to cure that or fill that back in. Essential oil therapy is good for prevention, and it’s good for women, and it can be good for men, too. But women don’t typically have a bald spot. They have diffuse thinning. But. But if you’ve developed a spot that you just can’t even cover with the way you style your hair, don’t spend $400 on an essential oil. Put the $400 toward a hair transplant that’s going to give you hair, because nothing’s going to fill in a bald spot.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:00:53]:

Welcome to HairPod, the podcast where you get to hear real people talk about their hair. I’m your host, Kevin Rolston, and each week I get to interview people from different walks of life whose lives have been touched by hair loss in some form or fashion. Many of our guests experienced hair loss themselves, and they found a way to get their confidence and their hair back. When it comes to hair loss, the Internet is both a blessing and a curse. You search for one thing or you just think about hair loss and suddenly your feed is bombarded with ads for miracle cures, from lotions and shampoos to supplements and expensive treatments. The before and after pictures seem to speak for themselves. But how do you know what works and what’s just flashy marketing if you don’t have somebody you trust with the scientific knowledge to help you break this stuff down? It’s easy to feel like giving up entirely. Like, if some of the solutions seem fake, maybe they all are.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:01:51]:

It’s not just the frustration that can get you. It’s the cost, too. People can end up spending hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars on things that were never going to work. And that’s why we bring experts like Dr. Angie Phipps onto the show. She is here to help us cut through the noise, bust some myths, and give you the real, honest truth about what works, what doesn’t, and why. Whether you’re dealing with hair loss yourself or you’re just curious about all these claims you see online, you’re in the right place.

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:02:24]:

Hello. It’s good to be back. I can’t wait to get onto this topic because I have patients coming in all the time asking me crazy things that they’ve heard on the Internet or their grandma’s told them that will help with hair loss, and they want to know if it’s true or not.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:02:36]:

It’s all over social media. And if you’ve ever probably said hair or loss or hair loss anywhere near your phone, it heard you. And now it’s just feeding you these ads like crazy with all kinds of.

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:02:48]:

Lotions and potions and snake oils and all kinds of stuff.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:02:52]:

It’s unbelievable. So I really have just kind of saved some of the really intriguing ads that I’ve seen because it’s miraculous, all these videos, these are guys that have no hair, and all of a sudden it’s just, it’s long, it’s glorious, and all their problems are solved. And I want to find out if it’s tick tock or trick tok here today. So some of the ones that I have seen that are out there that I wanted to ask you about was one that really jumped out to me was one person was talking about stem cells for hair regrowth. And it’s a scientific topic. You are a doctor, and I was wondering if you’d ever heard anything of this. And is this the new revolutionary way to treat hair loss like what they said on the ad I saw on Instagram?

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:03:42]:

Yes, stem cell therapy is the newest revolution in medical therapy for hair loss. But, you know, to prove efficacy, they need to go through double blind placebo clinical trials. And that hasn’t been completely completed yet for the FDA to approve it as a proven treatment for hair loss. Now, just because it hasn’t been FDA approved doesn’t mean that it can’t be effective or used off label. But you just want to be careful and make sure that your treatments are coming from a physician at a medical office and not the back garage or basement of somebody’s house who. You don’t know where these molecules or peptides or whatever they’re claiming to be stem cells. You know, maybe they, you know, didn’t. Hopefully they didn’t, you know, kill a deer or, you know, something out in their backyard and then, you know, siphon the deer placenta and take the stem cells or whatever, you know, you hear all kinds of crazy stories on the Internet.

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:04:42]:

And so if you get it done at a medical facility under the supervision of a physician, making sure you’re asking them the safety profile, where are you getting your, you know, your products? It’s the newest thing.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:04:54]:

So what kind of improvement can I see? And who would be a candidate for this stem cell treatment?

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:04:59]:

Anybody who has visible thinning. You know, the sooner you get to a physician and get started on therapy, regardless of what it is, the better off you’re gon be because the longer you wait, the more hair loss you have. And if the cells have died, you can’t recover those exact cells. So hopefully the stem cells are going to be able to somehow ignite in the body the ability to reawaken potentially those hair follicle cells. But I don’t know that it’s actually going to grow a new hair follicle.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:05:34]:

How do they apply the stem cells? How often do you have to apply it? And what kind of cost are we talking about over the long term?

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:05:41]:

Yeah, we aren’t currently providing that therapy at our, at my office. And so I would be amiss to give that information because we’re not doing it because it’s not FDA approved. And so, you know, at my office we really only do things that have been proven through clinical trials and not allow patients to spend money on something that may or may not be proven to work.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:06:03]:

How important is it to have something FDA approved? Because I’ve heard it both ways where sometimes people say, oh, it’s just a political thing and it’s the fda, they’re only going to approve things that they’re going to get kickbacks for and stuff like that. So you hear all these conspiracy theories, but you know, you want to hope that there is a governing body that really is doing it for the right reason. So what is your feeling on FDA approval?

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:06:25]:

I think I don’t necessarily need FDA approval, but I do need FDA clearance. So I need some governing body to have looked over and said, yes, this is cleared. We haven’t necessarily approved it because it didn’t go through the type of clinical trials that is necessary to show proven results to get approval, but it’s been cleared to be safe through the fda. So I do want all treatments, therapies, medications to have been FDA cleared or approved. Now sometimes we use things off label. So a medication has been FDA approved to treat one condition, but then they’re treating that condition and then they find out it helps to treat something else as well. Well, they don’t make that drug or device or treatment go back through the clinical trials. You can use that for a different reason and it’s considered off label.

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:07:15]:

But you know that it, it happened because it was being seen, those results were being seen as the medication or device or treatment was being used for something else.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:07:25]:

Right.

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:07:25]:

So I’m, I’m completely okay with off label uses as long as the treatment, drug or therapy has been cleared or approved for a different medical condition.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:07:34]:

Foreign.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:07:40]:

Stem cells seem like the latest and greatest thing. Testing still needs to be done to ensure that treating hair loss with stem cells is not just effective, it’s also safe. And while you’re waiting on the final word on this treatment, it can be tempting to turn to more natural remedies. You’ve probably seen people on social media talking about how essential oils can regrow your hair, and the results tend to look pretty good. So I had to know if these ingredients really were the liquid gold that so many people claim that they are.

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:08:18]:

There are botanical ingredients that do have hair stimulating properties. Pumpkin seed oil is especially rosemary oil. So God is good and God has given us, you know, plants that treat, you know, everything before the big pharma was invented. But it’s the process of how you create these oils as to whether or not they’re going to be effective and what I have found that in order for it to be medicinally effective, the process that it has to go through is very expensive to get the quality of oil from the resin that’s going to make it not affordable for most people. So because the, the plants are number one, usually they’re not homegrown in the United States. They’re usually plants that are, you know, grown in different countries. So you have import, export, you know, fees and stuff for trying to get the plants into the United States. And then sometimes it’s just muddied down or watered down with alcohol and other fillers to create a bottle full of something that they can sell.

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:09:24]:

And while the ingredient is in that product, it’s usually the concentration of the medicine, or I mean, concentration of the herb that is not enough to have a significant clinical aesthetic improvement. So I’m a believer in essential oil therapy and natural therapies as long as they’re being processed in a way that usually has what’s called one pass distillation, where you’re getting the majority of the oil instead of several passes and you’re getting watered down product.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:10:00]:

Do you like. You’ll pay more than what it’s worth because you talk about the cost. And to really get something that’s good, you’re saying it’s going to be expensive.

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:10:08]:

I think that I would rather spend my money on something that I know is going to give me hair. And so if you’ve got a bald spot, the essential oil is not going to cure that or fill that back in. Essential oil therapy is good for prevention and is good for women, and it can be good for men too. But women don’t typically have a bald spot. They have diffuse thinning. So I tend to like those More natural remedies for patients who have just, you know, mild diffuse thinning to help stimulate the follicles, you know, that are currently there. But if you’ve developed a spot that you just can’t even cover with the way you style your hair or it’s a bald spot, don’t spend $400 on an essential oil. Put the $400 toward a hair transplant that’s going to give you hair because nothing’s going to fill in a bald spot.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:11:00]:

I’ve seen advertisements for different vitamins or supplements that are supposed to help with hair loss. Are these good and how effective would they be?

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:11:09]:

Again, I consider vitamins or supplements an add on therapy to hormone therapy and cellular therapy. So they’re number three or four on my list of things that I recommend to my patients for hair loss because they’re just not medicinally as strong as the other therapies. But I do recommend them because you want to have a healthy scalp, you want to have a healthy hair shaft that’s being produced that you can give good nutrition to the scalp, skin and cells through these supplements. So a big one is Nutrafol and it’s a very good product. It’s a little pricey and you have to take four pills a day. And so sometimes that can be a deterrent for people. But Bosley is a company that’s made their own vitamins and supplements that are very effective as well as HairClub has supplements that are very effective. So if you’re getting your supplements from a reputable hair loss company doctor, then you know that those products have been tested on some level of consumer research to make sure that they’re going to be clinically effective or the strongest possible that you can buy over the, you know, without a, without a prescription.

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:12:23]:

And vitamins that you’re buying at Walmart is not going to be that effective, in my opinion.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:12:31]:

I love the nuance Dr. Phipps provides. She’s not saying essential oils and botanical extracts don’t work. She’s just bringing in some extra clarity about how they work and in what amounts. Essential oils and natural remedies definitely have their place, especially for prevention or mild hair thinning. But while they can help stimulate follicles and support scalp health, they’re not a magical bullet. If you’re dealing with significant hair loss or bald spots, you’re probably looking for something with proven results. I want to know how these remedies compare to the prescription medications most people with hair loss turn to.

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:13:14]:

Yeah, you’re in a completely different hair loss realm because the prescription medication has proven medical benefit to the strength it’s necessary that’s going to cause a cosmetic improvement. That cosmetic improvement may be just stabilizing your hair loss so that it doesn’t get worse. It may be visual improvement by thickening up the hair shafts that are being produced so that you see less scalp. The supplement realm of treatments or therapies, in my opinion are supportive but not a individual sole treatment option that I would recommend that be done without anything else.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:13:53]:

So what would you say are the most effective prescription or over the counter hair loss remedies that you can get and medications?

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:14:02]:

Yeah, so the most effective is finasteride or propecia for men, women who are not of childbearing age and, or who have had, they’re in menopause or have had surgical sterilization or whatever so that they can’t get pregnant. We also put them on sometimes the finasteride or dutasteride medications to block the DHT hormone. The medical grade minoxidil, either in pill form or topical form. The topical form you can buy over the counter. Now the pill form is a prescription medication that you have to get from a physician, but those are actually working internally or topically with a strength that is able to cause a medicinal effect that translates to aesthetic improvement. Whereas the over the counter medications typically don’t do that other than the topical minoxidil. It does have significant medicinal benefit and it is over the counter. I think the oral is probably a little more effective, but you know, when, when you get more efficacy, it usually requires a prescription.

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:15:10]:

And the minoxidil oral form does have to be a prescription.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:14]:

You mentioned finasteride and propecia. What is the difference between those two products?

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:15:19]:

One’s the chemical name and one’s the brand name. It’s the same thing as Tylenol or acetaminophen. Tylenol is the brand. Acetaminophen, the chemical name. Propecia is the brand name. Finasteride is the chemical name.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:15:30]:

And so you could save a good bit of money if you went finasteride instead of propecia. Okay, and you also said finasteride and dutasteride. What’s the difference between those two?

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:15:40]:

So they’re in the same family of drugs as being a medication that blocks the 5 alpha reductase enzyme. That is what converts testosterone to DHT. And that’s the DHT hormone is the one that has the deleterious effects on the hair follicle. Now there’s two different enzymes. There’s 5 alpha reductase type 1 and there’s 5 alpha reductase type 2. And what we see is that the majority of conversion from test into DHT comes from the type 2 enzyme. So finasteride blocks the type 2 enzyme, but some individuals still have consistent conversion of test to DHT from the type 1 enzyme. So dutasteride actually blocks both of those enzymes.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:20]:

So.

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:16:20]:

So you can start out on dutasteride, but I usually reserve dutasteride for patients who are on finasteride and after a year still feel like they’re having some degree of thinning. Not as much as they were before. Then I’ll maybe switch them to dutasteride or I’ll put women on dutasteride. It’s because the half life of that medication is significantly longer. And if you experience a side effect, it’s going to take a lot longer for that side effect to go away than it would than with the finasteride.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:47]:

Is it a lot more expensive to do one over the other?

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:16:50]:

The dutasteride is a little bit more expensive than the finasteride, yes. Just because it hasn’t been around as long.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:16:56]:

So as you see these ads on social media platforms and people miraculously regrowing hair and they now look fantastic, how do you wind up discerning between what is credible and what is going to be bunk? Are there certain things that you’ve seen in any of these ads that immediately say, because you have the trained eye, you’re a doctor, you know, for somebody that’s just getting into it, look all these things when you’re desperate for a cure, it just looks absolutely amazing. And you believe in the person for whatever reason is on this social media platform you’ve never seen before. So how do you not be a sucker and not get tricked?

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:17:30]:

If somebody has a bald spot and then their actor picture shows no bald spot, it’s trickery. Now, what they may have had done is they may have had a hair transplant and use those products that they’re trying to sell you, oils, vitamins, devices, anything, and then they got that result. But they’re attributing the result to what they’re trying to sell you, when really the result came from the hair transplant. Wow. So they’re not disclosing full information as to what they’ve had done or whether they’ve used some sort of scalp makeup or fibers to help conceal in combination with the product that they’re trying to sell. So if it looks too good to be true, it’s usually too good to be true. There’s no one therapy out there that takes somebody from being bald to giving you a full head of hair. It’s just not going to happen.

 

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:18:18]:

And people prey on women and men’s insecurities and hopes that this is going to be the one thing that’s going to do it. It’s not going to do it. Go see a hair loss specialist. It’s going to usually need multimodal treatment with different devices, different medications, and maybe even sometimes a surgical procedure to get the results that most people are looking for.

 

Kevin Rolston [00:18:44]:

Hair loss and navigating the world of hair loss solutions can leave you feeling a little bit helpless. But conversations like the ones we have with Dr. Phipps always leave me feeling hopeful because there are real solutions formulated by experts and regulations in place to help protect us from unsafe or ineffective products. I think the most important thing to remember is if you’re considering doing something about your hair loss, work with a trusted professional to determine what solutions will work for your type of hair loss and to get you the results that you want. Thanks for listening to another episode of Hairpot. Check us out at Hair Club on Instagram or search Hairpot on Facebook to continue the conversation. If you know someone who could benefit from hearing this episode, we would love it if you would share with them. If you’re enjoying the show, consider leaving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app.

 

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2025 Hair Replacement Trends with Dr. Mary Alice Mina
This week on HairPod, I spoke with expert dermatologist and host of The Skin Real Podcast, Dr. Mary Alice Mina. We covered some of the latest news on hair loss and her forecasts for the near future of hair loss treatment.

Dermatology and Hair Health

A dermatologist can be a great resource when it comes to hair health. According to Dr. Mary Alice Mina, dermatologists are experts in skin, hair, and nails and can help those who seek diagnoses or treatments for their hair loss. Supporting the physical processes that give us healthy skin will also have a positive impact on our hair and nails. Dr. Mina reminds us that part of having a healthy scalp isn’t just about caring for your hair itself but also for the skin on the scalp that houses your hair follicles.

Nutrition and Hair Health

Intermittent fasting and hair loss are in the news, as a new study shows a link between this restrictive diet and reduced hair growth in mice. Dr. Mina and I discussed the importance of eating wisely during your meal times to ensure you’re getting enough nutrients. While the scientific community is still learning the links between certain trending diets and hair loss, it’s well-known among hair loss experts that a nutritious diet rich in fruits, vegetables, and lean protein is important for overall body processes, including hair health. For more on how diet affects your hair health, check out
Episode 024: “Ask a Trichologist: What is Causing My Hair Loss?” with trichologist Eva Proudman

2025 Hair Restoration Trends

The latest developments in hair loss treatments are always a topic of conversation when we talk to experts like Dr. Mina. It can be hard to separate fact from fiction, but a dermatologist or trichologist can help decode which new technologies are grounded in science. Dr. Mina shares her curiosity and concerns with treatments like PRP (Platelet-Rich Plasma). While they can be effective for many people, there is significant variability in platelet levels between individuals. Many emerging treatments have yet to hit the market, but Dr. Mina remains optimistic about the bright future of hair restoration.

Hair Loss Solution or Scam?

Natural remedies for hair loss often reach us via social media and promise amazing results. However, Dr. Mary Alice Mina advises using good judgment and consulting with professionals before investing in unverified treatments. Without solid scientific studies to set proper expectations, natural remedies can lead to expensive, ineffective outcomes, leaving individuals suffering from hair loss feeling hopeless. There are effective treatments and options that cater to a variety of needs, but knowing where to start can be overwhelming. Working with a knowledgeable professional can help you diagnose the cause of your hair loss and select treatments that are right for you. Remember, you aren’t in this alone!

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Thanks for listening to HairPod. We hope you enjoyed this episode. If you did, please leave us a rating or review wherever you get your podcasts. If you’d like to connect with us on social media to share your story, check us out on Instagram @HairClub. HairPod is a production of TSE Studios. Our theme music is from SoundStripe.

Episode.46 Transcript

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:00:02]:
I would say if you are struggling with hair loss, I would say see your dermatologist before investing in a lot of sort of experimental things or other things, because not all hair loss is created equal. Lots of different causes of hair loss, some is completely reversible and some scars, and that is not reversible. And if we can hit it first and early and sort of stop the inflammation that can lead to the scarring, then we can minimize that foreign.

Kevin Rolston [00:00:43]:
Welcome to HairPod, the podcast where you get to hear real people talk about their hair journeys.

Kevin Rolston [00:00:49]:
I’m your host, Kevin Rolston, and each.

Kevin Rolston [00:00:51]:
Week I get to interview people from different walks of life whose lives have been touched by hair loss in some form or fashion. Many of our guests have experienced hair loss themselves and found a way to get their confidence and their hair back. This week we are ringing in the new year with the very latest in cutting edge hair loss technology and trends with Dr. Mary Alice Mina. Dr. Mary Alice is a Harvard-educated dermatologist and dermatological surgeon with a passion for educating people about caring for their skin. She hosts The Skin Real podcast and today she joined us for an episode of HairPod to talk about all the latest in hair restoration, from the most recent studies to the latest hair trends. The first thing I had to know was how dermatology fits into the world of hair loss and hair restoration.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:01:45]:
This is such a popular topic and something that I’ve been thinking about more and more as I’m hitting middle age. But, yeah, people maybe don’t realize this, but dermatologists are the skin, hair and nail experts. So our nails and hair are appendages of our skin. And so we also take care of hair. So. And I also think people forget that our hair, also our scalp is made up not just of hair, but skin. And so it’s important to take care of our scalp skin as well. That that is also part of hair care.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:02:19]:
So, yeah, as dermatologists, this is definitely right up our alley.

Kevin Rolston [00:02:23]:
Now, the one thing that I want to talk to you a little bit about is, you know, it seems like.

Kevin Rolston [00:02:27]:
Things that are probably good for your.

Kevin Rolston [00:02:29]:
Nails and for your skin are probably also good for your hair.

Kevin Rolston [00:02:32]:
Why?

Kevin Rolston [00:02:33]:
That has to do with dietary stuff. Right?

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:02:35]:
Well, is there something in particular you’re thinking about?

Kevin Rolston [00:02:38]:
Yes, I am. In fact, I saw a study this week and it talks about how intermittent fasting and a study that was done is not giving the body enough energy to reproduce the hair cells that is needed. And they’re discovering, at least in studies with mice, that when they’re doing intermittent fasting diet that the mice are not replenishing the energy to regrow the hair. And they said that it could be the same way in humans. So is that something that you’ve seen where caloric intake or the nutrients that you put in your body can also affect skin, hair and nails?

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:03:15]:
Oh, yeah, absolutely. So if you have a very calorie restrictive diet, then your skin is going to be very dry. You can get this stuff called lanuga, where you have these small little, what we call vellus hairs on your body that can develop. You can significantly lose hair on your head and it can be very brittle. So, yes, very restrictive diets for sure can do this. And also so can rapid weight loss. So we’re seeing, I would say probably even more common is people who go on these crash diets lose a lot of weight very quickly, or the GLP1 agonists, which are remarkable at helping people lose weight. But one of the side effects is that with this rapid weight loss can also come rapid hair loss.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:04:06]:
Now, usually that’s reversible. Same thing with, with diet that, you know, when you have a healthy diet, a balanced diet, then that will improve. And then the other thing I’ll say I’ll see sometimes in vegans or people who are vegetarians or very only eat certain foods and not sort of a more balanced diet like a Mediterranean diet, a plant for a diet. We can also see some issues with hair loss. So, yeah, hair loss is so much more than just what are you shampooing with or what products are you using. I always say skincare and hair care comes from, you know, within. And so taking care of our body first and foremost is a great way to make sure your hair is healthy.

Kevin Rolston [00:04:49]:
Totally.

Kevin Rolston [00:04:49]:
Now, you mentioned the GLP1s and so many people are doing that. And there was a good news that came out this last week about there’s finally, for the first time in a long time, been a little drop in obesity rates in America. But the one thing that I’m hearing about the GLP1s is that some people are losing weight, but they’re increasing their body fat and that there may be losing connective tissue, they’re losing muscle, and it could also be affecting other things happening in the body. Do you notice anyone doing GLP1s that is affecting their hair growth? Could that be something that actually takes away from it?

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:05:26]:
So definitely see hair loss with it for sure.

Kevin Rolston [00:05:29]:
Okay.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:05:30]:
And I can’t really speak to whether they’re losing muscle or what they’re losing exactly I’m not familiar with that study, but certainly if you are not, you know, again, these medications can help you lose weight, but in order to be healthy, you still need to eat a balanced diet. You need to make sure you get enough protein, enough fiber, minimizing sugar. Right? So it’s not, I think we all want, right, the magic pill where you can still do all the bad habits and not worry about what you actually eat, but you really have to also take care of your body and think about your nutritional status. So. But yeah, we certainly do see the hair loss with it. We also see a lot of, like, skin laxity, which is where when you lose weight so quickly, the skin doesn’t have time to slowly absorb that. And so you can get some loose hanging skin as well. So that’s definitely something.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:06:20]:
We see patients coming in now that they’ve lost the weight. Now they need to get rid of the skin that’s just kind of hanging there.

Kevin Rolston [00:06:27]:
The thing that seems to be tough for me is that a lot of people, we want to achieve beauty. And that’s why we’re doing intermittent fasting. That’s why we’re doing the GLP1s. So how do we offset that? Because if you’re listening to us right now, I’m a person that does intermittent fasting. So what would you say to the person that, for instance, I will do 14, as much as 18 hours off, how can I offset what I’m doing with my intermittent fasting so that I’m not affecting my hair growth?

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:06:56]:
Well, so I would say, first of all, have you noticed problem with hair loss with your intermittent fasting?

Kevin Rolston [00:07:03]:
I have not personally, no, thankfully.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:07:06]:
Sometimes, you know, if there isn’t a problem, you haven’t noticed hair loss, then it really isn’t something you have to worry about. But I would say if you. And I’ve dabbled with intermittent fasting, and it’s not something I’m doing right now, I didn’t notice any hair issues. But I would say if you are doing intermittent fasting, then you need to be very cognizant that you’re getting good nutrition on those eating windows that you have and making sure that you’re eating a balanced diet, you’re eating lean proteins, that you’re getting enough, you know, vegetables, antioxidants, all of that. Because I think, again, it’s fine to intermittent fast and they’re show that there are lots of benefits to that. But just make sure when you are eating that you are getting enough calories and enough macros and all that.

Kevin Rolston [00:07:53]:
Is there a perfect hair diet?

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:07:55]:
I don’t think so. I don’t think there’s a perfect diet period for anyone. But again, just making. I would say, you know, a good diet in general for your skin would be. We tend to recommend the Mediterranean diet where there’s, you know, protein forward with lean protein. Fish is a great fatty acids. You have omega 3 fatty acids and things like salmon eating a lot of fiber, green leafy vegetables, fruits and berries for antioxidants, minimizing processed sugar. I would say that that’s just key for our overall health.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:08:32]:
So is there the perfect hair diet? I think would just be the. A good balanced diet for your overall health and making sure you’re not being too restrictive on your calories or too restrictive that, oh, I never eat this fruit or this food or this or that, because I think that’s where people can get into trouble or if they just eat same thing all the time. Again, you need that variety, really.

Kevin Rolston [00:08:55]:
Okay, now that. That’s kind of interesting. So even if I had the perfect diet, I still need to switch it up a bit because my body will get used to it and it could be somewhat damaging to hair, nails, skin.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:09:05]:
Well, not so much that. I’m just thinking of if you’re someone who I always eat a piece of chicken and mashed potatoes and carrots. Right. And you only eat that day in and day out. Throw in a salad one night, throw in broccoli one night, throw in some different vegetables, because each fruit and vegetable, they all have different benefits. So again, I know sometimes it’s easy just to eat the same thing every lunch, every dinner. But again, just making sure you’re eating. You know, think about also eating seasonal foods.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:09:36]:
Right. Trying to eat things that are in season is a great way to make sure that you’re getting that variability and nutrition. And it’s better for the environment, right, to eat things when they’re in season.

Kevin Rolston [00:09:50]:
I always appreciate hearing a doctor’s perspective on the importance of nutrition because I know it’s something we can all work on right now to improve our hair, skin and overall health. But it’s especially important early in the year when many people are searching for the fad diet that’s going to help them lose weight and get on a healthier path. It’s important to know the consequences of the different options that are out there so you can keep track of things like hair loss, because that could indicate issues with overall health. I asked Dr. Mina if there was anything else we should focus on when we’re looking at the major causes of hair loss.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:10:30]:
Genetics is big and we don’t fully understand it. It’s not quite so simple as if your mom’s dad didn’t have hair, you’re not going to have hair. Right. So genetics, and it’s not really something, at least at this point, that we can really fix. So genetics. There are some people who are predisposed to having more hair thinning than others. There’s some people who are more prone to early hair grain versus, versus, not. So genetics would be number one, and then number two, I would say, is hormones.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:10:58]:
And again, this isn’t really something we can always change. Now there are things we can do to enhance, but hormones play a big role. And so that, that’s something like for men with testosterone, that’s why men struggle with hair thinning. And even women, as we go through menopause or perimenopause, we lose estrogen. We’re learning that estrogen is also important for hair. So we can work around those things in some ways. But also it is just natural hormone fluctuations as well.

Kevin Rolston [00:11:31]:
So tell me, for a guy like myself, and you get hit with this a lot when you hit middle age for men, and I’m sure for women as well, it’s balancing your hormones. And so in South Florida, where I am, they have so many clinics that are all about giving you testosterone, balancing your hormones, what does that then do to contributing to my hair loss? Because if I add more testosterone, am I then going to start losing more hair as a result?

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:11:56]:
You can, yeah. So you know, everything has trade offs, right. Every there, there are pluses and minuses with things. So. So certainly taking testosterone can also cause acne and more sebum or oil production. Right. So I would say for someone like your age who’s maybe noticing some thinning maybe at the temples or the back of your head, probably the simplest thing to do would be to use a topical product, whether that’s pure minoxidil or. Now there are a lot of compounded products that have different things like propecia and finasteride, dutasteride, things like that.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:12:33]:
And it’s topical and you put it on and women can use these as well. So that would be probably the simplest thing to do, but you have to stick with it and it doesn’t happen overnight. And then other options would be, then you could do systemic things as well. So if it’s. And it kind of depends on the kind of hair loss. But for men taking an oral medication like minoxidil finasteride. Some of these medications that can help suppress the androgen receptors around the hair follicles is a good option.

Kevin Rolston [00:13:07]:
Yeah. And, you know, I know sometimes, and I’ve done the testosterone before, and they do give you something to try to balance that to make sure it’s right in your system. I’ve done the finasteride, and I found out that I needed dutasteride, which I guess is what 10% of the male population needs, because the finasteride will not cover everybody, as I’ve come to find out by hosting this podcast.

Kevin Rolston [00:13:31]:
To me, it’s just such a slippery.

Kevin Rolston [00:13:33]:
Slope when you’re trying to maintain beauty, because it seems like when you do one thing that you think is a benefit, whether it be testosterone for your body, then it affects your hair or your skin or your nails.

Kevin Rolston [00:13:44]:
Do we have any kind of perfect.

Kevin Rolston [00:13:45]:
Recipe on how to navigate beauty as we start to get to middle age, on what we should do, how much we do of it, and then how we counterbalance the other effects of beauty on other parts of our body?

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:13:56]:
Gosh. I mean, that’s the million dollar question, right?

Kevin Rolston [00:13:59]:
Okay.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:14:00]:
It’s so personal, too. Right? Everyone has a different threshold. My mother has never done. I can’t even get her to use a retinoid. Like, she just uses her moisturizer and sunscreen and that’s it. And she’ll never do any cosmetic procedure whatsoever. And then there are other people who are like, I am all for, give me everything. I want to do everything, try everything.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:14:21]:
So it’s really personal, but I would just encourage people to do what feels right for them. And it’s hard not to feel pressure. As we get older, we want to kind of cling on to what we looked like 10 years ago, 20 years ago, and we see changes and aging is normal. But, yes. Are there things we can do to help mitigate some of the less desirable side effects? And there are. With hair loss, I feel like there’s no, like, take this pill and you’ll grow hair. Right. Sometimes it’s a lot of trial and error.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:14:52]:
Sometimes it’s making sure you’re supplementing vitamin D. A lot of people are deficient in that. And there have been people promoting vitamin D as a way to help with hair loss. But again, I wouldn’t just do any one thing. A lot of times it’s doing them all in combination that can help as well. And I do think in the next five years to 10 years, we’re going to really see an explosion in what we can offer people for hair loss and even maybe hair grain. So I think this is an exciting time. But again, I’ve even, I mean, it kind of makes me laugh when I go to these conferences and I’ll hear someone speaking about hair loss and they, they’re a big hair loss expert and they’re bald or they have, they have recession and it’s, it’s not that uncommon.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:15:38]:
And I’m thinking here is some one of the like world experts in this. They know everything. But yet sometimes it’s just with our genetics and the knowledge that we have now, not everything is going to work for everyone. Now we can definitely improve. For most people we can help out a lot, but we can’t cure it. Right. And that can be frustrating and people can spend a ton of money on these things. So I would also say, you know, sometimes hair loss can make us feel so desperate for a cure that we can fall prey to people who really don’t have the answer but make you feel like they do.

Kevin Rolston [00:16:22]:
Dr. Mina gets at something of key importance here. Hair loss can be such an emotional experience for anyone. And depending upon what is causing the hair loss, there may be a way to reverse it or there may not. The unknowns can leave a lot of people feeling desperate to try anything, which can lead down a very hopeless and costly road. Thankfully, professionals like Dr. Mina are knowledgeable about the treatment options that are available today and also what’s on the horizon for hair loss solutions.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:16:58]:
I do think there’s a lot of cool things coming out. Really the whole field of regenerative medicine is really taking off. And I would say, you know, what we already have in our toolbox right now are things like prp. So platelet rich plasma, that’s where you draw your blood and then you inject it, they spin it down. So we just are taking the plasma that’s rich in platelets, which have a lot of growth factors, and then we inject it into the scalp. The problem, it does work for a lot of people. The problem is that our platelet levels vary a good bit. And also your platelets at 20 are not the same as your platelets at 80.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:17:38]:
And so there is variability with that. So it works, it can be helpful. But I think we can take it even the next step. And so there are companies now that have taken the component of platelets and now, you know, amplified that so that we have more concentrated versions that we don’t have to rely on our own that you can inject. And there are also exosomes coming down the pike, there are topical exosomes that are formulated just for hair regrowth and have been shown to actually help with hair grain. So I think that’s another area that I’m personally more interested in that, to be honest. So, you know, right now it’s topical. Some doctors at Mayo Clinic have come up with a product that’s pretty amazing, at least seeing their results.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:18:24]:
And I’m, you know, testing it out with some of my patients and friends and family. And I think the next step would be, can we inject these exosomes? You know, how do we switch the hair follicle that is its own little stem cell? How do we switch that hair follicle back on? Why did it get turned off in the first place? You know, why did it stop producing melanin or pigment in the first place? How do we kick those cells back into gear and make them work again? And tons of research on that. And I do think we’re going to have some really cool things in the near future.

Kevin Rolston [00:19:00]:
You talk about some of these things that people might be seeing when they scroll through whatever social media feed that they use, and they look encouraging. But are there some that you know of that are out there that you would put a warning flag up on? Because people jump on stuff really quick, and the stuff’s typically not cheap, but it looks like it’s very effective. But have you seen something that you would say you might want to look more into that before you jump into it?

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:19:26]:
Yeah, so definitely. People seem to really want to do more homeopathic treatments, natural treatments. I feel like I hear castor oil a lot for hair growth.

Kevin Rolston [00:19:38]:
Yes.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:19:38]:
There was even a study that, you know, dermatologists were saying, oh, rosemary oil can help with hair growth. But that study has really been found to have a lot of holes in it. I just think that this is something that’s so universal for men and women wanting to grow hair that we can fall prey to scams. And so I would just say anyone who is. I would make sure see what their credentials are. Right. Like, is this a dermatologist or a plastic surgeon or someone really experienced in hair loss or hair transplantation? Are they just selling you their own products and supplements? Right, right. Supplement world.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:20:15]:
I do believe in supplements, but I believe that they are supplemental. So check your vitamin D levels. If it’s low, then supplementing with that, making sure you have a balanced diet. Biotin, that was something. It’s not expensive, but that’s something that, you know, people would be taking tens of thousands of micrograms of biotin because they were told it worked. It helped. And really we found that unless you are truly biotin deficient, which is very rare, you don’t need to be supplementing with biotin. And in fact, it can mess up your lab work.

Kevin Rolston [00:20:49]:
Oh, wow.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:20:50]:
Yeah. So. So not really helpful in that realm. But yeah, I would just, I would look at who’s selling you. You know, who’s selling you. What are they selling you? What’s their angle and what are their credentials? Right. Is this someone who truly has experience in hair loss?

Kevin Rolston [00:21:06]:
Dr. Mina, I think a lot of people probably overlook scalp health. How important really is that to your hair health and your hair loss? And what can you do to make sure that you have got the best? To me, I look at it farming. You know, if you’ve got good soil, a lot of times you get a good crop out of it. Is your hair growth almost the same way when it comes to your scalp?

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:21:29]:
Yeah, I think that’s a great analogy. Right. It’s the soil. So if we’re not taking care of our scalp, if we are putting tons of products on that are irritating it or causing a rash, then our scalp is going to be itchy and uncomfortable and flaky. Sometimes we can get overgrowth of yeast on our scalp, which is essentially dandruff. So making sure you’re calming down that inflammation as well, People can get like little acne lesions on the scalp that can cause the hair to kind of scar up. I would say hairstyles can be a big one for women. So if you are always pulling your hair back in a tight ponytail or tight bun every single day, you can get what’s called traction alopecia, where the pulling on the hair can cause hair loss in that area.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:22:19]:
Or if you do really tight braids on your, your hair. So be careful. Now, I just watched Cirque du Soleil and there was a woman, I mean, truly doing flips and, and crazy things, hanging by her hair. So I do, I do worry about her, her, her hair loss in the future, potentially. But, you know, being careful how you style your hair, what are you putting. If you are constantly bleaching your hair using really harsh chemicals on it, heating or styling it with really hot products, hot heat without a heat protectant, that’s going to damage the hair as well. So just. Yeah, thinking about your scalp is important as well.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:22:59]:
And not everyone’s scalp. Some people have oily scalp, some people have dry or sensitive. So just like with skin, you need to make sure you’re using the right product for your scalp.

Kevin Rolston [00:23:08]:
So imagine a lot of people hearing a lot of great information coming out of this and they’re trying to figure out, okay, where do I go? Because I need to learn a little bit more. And there are different places you can go to get information about this. What role does a dermatologist wind up playing when it comes to your hair health? And when do you know that the dermatologist is the first person you should turn to?

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:23:29]:
Yeah, well, I would say for a lot of people it’s probably your hair stylist or barber that most people talk to. I know for women like we, we tend to have these long standing relationships with our hairstylist. So you can talk with them about it. And I find that they are great advocates. Along with dermatologists, they can help point out if something looks funny on the scalp that they see. And they can also tell you, like, oh, gosh, when I wash your hair, I’m noticing a ton of clumps coming out, or, oh, I’m noticing that there’s some thinning. So, you know, I think for most people, they’re going to the first discussion is probably with their hairstylist or barber about what they’re seeing. And I would say if you are struggling with hair loss, I would say see your dermatologist before investing in a lot of sort of experimental things or other things.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:24:16]:
Because not all hair loss is created equal. Lots of different causes of hair loss, some is completely reversible and some scars and that is not reversible. And if we can hit it first and early and sort of stop the inflammation and that can lead to the scarring, then we can minimize that. So I find too often people come see the dermatologist like as the last resort. They’ve already tried all these things, they spent all this money. But really, I feel like that can save you a lot of time and frustration is if you’re struggling with hair loss, see your dermatologist or find a dermatologist who has familiarity with hair loss who can help you.

Kevin Rolston [00:24:52]:
Okay, so go to the professional before you go to TikTok and Instagram.

Dr. Mary Alice Mina [00:24:57]:
Yes, exactly. Although I know, I mean, there are a lot of doctors. That’s why I have a podcast. Podcast, right. Because I, I know that’s where people get their information. But instead of, you know, before you drop down a couple hundred dollars on some supplements or something that’s a, maybe less well, well studied or developed, I would see a dermatologist, make sure you know what kind of hair loss you have and get the right treatment to really try to save as much of your hair as possible. It’s so much easier to treat hair loss before it’s really severe. If you come to us and you’re totally bald, it’s really going to be hard to bring that hair back.

Kevin Rolston [00:25:39]:
A huge thank you to Dr. Alice Mina for joining us and sharing her wealth of knowledge on hair health, dermatology and the exciting advances in hair loss treatments. If you’ve ever wondered about how your diet, hormones or even your hair care routine impacts your hair’s health, I hope today’s conversation gave you some answers and maybe even sparked a few new questions. Thanks for listening to another episode of hairpod. Check us out on Hair Club on Instagram or search Harepod on Facebook to continue the conversation. If you know someone who could benefit from hearing this episode, we would love it if you would share with them. If you’re enjoying the show, consider leaving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast podcast app. We also have a website.

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Top 5 HairPod Moments of 2024

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Happy New Year from the HairPod Team!

As we step into 2025, we want to take a moment to reflect on the incredible journey we’ve had over the past year. HairPod has been a platform for sharing groundbreaking insights, inspiring stories, and expert advice to help listeners navigate their hair care and hair loss journeys.

This week, we’re counting down my Top 5 HairPod Moments of 2024—a collection of the most impactful conversations and episodes that resonated with our listeners. From cutting-edge technologies to personal triumphs and expert advice, these moments showcase the heart of what makes HairPod so special.

Whether you’re a long-time listener or just tuning in, these highlights offer a glimpse into the invaluable knowledge and inspiration shared on the podcast. Be sure to check out the resources section at the bottom for links to the full episodes, so you can dive deeper into these unforgettable discussions.

Here’s to another year of growth, connection, and confidence—cheers to 2025! 🥂

Joey Logano’s Hair System Journey

In Episode 1 of HairPod, we kicked off the series with an unforgettable conversation featuring NASCAR legend Joey Logano. Known for his speed on the track and calm under pressure, Joey opened up about a very personal topic: his hair loss journey and his decision to embrace a hair system.

As a hair system user myself, I was eager to hear Joey’s perspective—especially considering the physical demands of his profession. NASCAR drivers endure intense heat, high speeds, and long hours inside their cars, making it a unique challenge to maintain a hair system under such extreme conditions. Joey didn’t hold back as he shared his initial concerns, including doubts about whether the system could withstand the rigors of racing.

But as Joey revealed, those fears quickly faded. He recounted how his hair system became a seamless part of his life, staying firmly in place even in the face of grueling races and high-stakes competitions. From the blazing temperatures inside his stock car to the sweat and adrenaline that come with every lap, Joey explained how his hair system has not only held up but given him newfound confidence on and off the track.

What made this episode truly special was Joey’s authenticity. He talked about how overcoming his hesitation to try a hair system changed his outlook, allowing him to focus on what he loves without worrying about his appearance. His story is a testament to the advancements in hair restoration technology and the life-changing impact it can have.

What is TrichoView Featuring Steve Barth

In Episode 23, we had the honor of welcoming Steve Barth, one of the founding fathers of HairClub, to the HairPod. Steve shared the story behind the creation and development of TrichoView, a groundbreaking technology that has redefined personalized hair and scalp analysis.

TrichoView combines cutting-edge science with a deep understanding of individual needs, blending physiological data, like scalp condition and hair density with psychological insights, such as a client’s hair loss concerns and goals. This revolutionary system enables HairClub to provide truly tailored treatment plans that address both the physical and emotional aspects of hair restoration.

During this episode, Steve dives into the intricate science behind TrichoView, revealing how it works and why it’s become one of the most significant advancements in modern hair care. From the initial concept to its real-world application, you’ll get an inside look at how this innovation is helping people regain their confidence and achieve better outcomes.

Finasteride vs. Dutasteride: A Conversation with Dr. Angela Phipps

In Episode 34, I had the privilege of sitting down with Dr. Angela Phipps, a leading expert in hair restoration, to delve into one of the most frequently discussed topics in hair loss treatment: finasteride vs. dutasteride.

For years, finasteride has been a cornerstone in treating male pattern hair loss, effectively slowing hair loss for many patients. However, as I shared my own experience during the episode, I noticed that even after years of using finasteride, I was still experiencing some hair thinning. This raised an important question: what happens when finasteride alone isn’t enough?

Dr. Phipps provided valuable insights into why this occurs. She explained that while finasteride effectively inhibits one type of 5-alpha-reductase enzyme responsible for converting testosterone into DHT (a hormone linked to hair loss), about 10% of patients require additional intervention. That’s where dutasteride comes in. Unlike finasteride, dutasteride blocks both types of 5-alpha-reductase enzymes, making it a more comprehensive treatment option for certain individuals who aren’t seeing the desired results with finasteride alone.

This episode offered a deeper understanding of the nuanced approach needed for treating hair loss and highlighted the importance of tailoring treatments to individual needs. Whether you’re just starting your hair restoration journey or exploring advanced solutions, this conversation is packed with expert advice and actionable insights.

Nutrition’s Impact on Hair Loss with Eva Proudman

In Episode 24, I had an enlightening discussion with Eva Proudman, a certified trichologist and renowned authority on hair and scalp health. During our conversation, Eva shed light on a topic that often goes unnoticed yet plays a critical role in hair health: nutrition.

Your diet isn’t just about maintaining overall health; it directly affects the strength, growth, and quality of your hair. Eva explained how certain nutrients are essential for hair health, with protein being at the top of the list. Since hair is primarily made of keratin—a protein—maintaining a protein-rich diet ensures that your hair has the building blocks it needs to grow and thrive.

In this episode, Eva broke down the foods that are best for nourishing your hair and preventing hair loss. She highlighted the importance of incorporating foods rich in iron, zinc, and biotin, along with vitamins like B12 and D. These nutrients not only support hair follicle health but also help counteract issues like thinning and brittleness.

Eva also discussed how significant dietary changes or rapid weight loss can lead to sudden hair shedding. If you’ve noticed hair loss after starting a restrictive diet or experiencing quick weight changes, it might be due to nutritional deficiencies. Eva’s insights offered practical advice for restoring balance through a well-rounded diet and, in some cases, supplements.

This episode is packed with actionable tips for anyone looking to improve their hair health naturally through better nutrition. Whether you’re struggling with hair loss or just want to maintain healthy locks, Eva’s advice is invaluable.

The Science Behind Laser Hair Therapy with Dr. Angela Phipps

In Episode 42, we had the pleasure of diving into the fascinating world of laser hair therapy with Dr. Angela Phipps, a renowned expert in the field of hair restoration. Laser hair therapy has become increasingly popular as a non-invasive treatment option for those experiencing hair loss, and in this episode, Dr. Phipps provided a comprehensive explanation of how it works, its benefits, and what kind of results you can realistically expect.

Laser hair therapy uses low-level light therapy (LLLT) to stimulate hair follicles, improve blood flow to the scalp, and ultimately promote hair regrowth. This method works by using light at specific wavelengths that penetrate the scalp and reach the hair follicles. The light energy is absorbed by the cells, which encourages improved cellular function, reduces inflammation, and supports the growth phase of the hair cycle.

While Dr. Phipps was quick to clarify that laser therapy isn’t a miracle cure, she emphasized its potential for significant improvement when used consistently. For many individuals, especially those in the early stages of hair thinning, it can be a game-changer. The therapy can help reverse the miniaturization of hair follicles caused by male or female pattern baldness and even enhance the thickness and density of existing hair.

Dr. Phipps also provided important context on when laser hair therapy might not be effective. She explained that it’s crucial to match the treatment to the specific type of hair loss you’re experiencing. For example, those with advanced or scarring alopecia may not see the same level of success with laser therapy compared to individuals experiencing androgenetic alopecia (common male and female pattern hair loss). This distinction helps set realistic expectations for listeners, ensuring they have a clear understanding of what this treatment can do for them.

By the end of the episode, listeners gained a well-rounded understanding of laser hair therapy, its benefits, limitations, and ideal candidates. Dr. Phipps’ insights are invaluable for anyone considering laser therapy as part of their hair restoration plan and for those seeking a non-invasive solution to hair thinning.

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Episode.45 Transcript

Steve Barth [00:00:02]:
Losing hair has a very powerful emotional effect on our personality because we can’t control it, right? But yet we’re left with this real discontent or this real feeling of not looking our best, which means that we’re not always feeling our best. And it’s so important in today’s world that’s so competitive to have that level of confidence.

Kevin Rolston [00:00:37]:
Welcome to HairPod, the podcast where you get to hear real people talk about their hair journeys. I’m your host, Kevin Rolston, and each week I get to interview people from different walks of life whose lives have been touched by hair loss in some form or fashion. Many of our guests have experienced hair loss themselves and found a way to get their confidence and their hair back. This week, we are saying goodbye to 2024 by looking back at my five favorite hairpod moments from the past year. I came into hosting the Hairpod as somebody who themselves have been searching for hair solutions for the last 25 years. But what I’ve learned in the last year completely eclipsed all the last 25 years combined. I’m hoping you’ve learned something as well, and I look forward to a whole new year with a lot of other great discussions. Now, these clips aren’t in any particular order.

Kevin Rolston [00:01:30]:
The first clip, and I think maybe the most important, the first clip is from my interview with Steve Barth. He’s one of the founding fathers of HairClub. Steve invented HairClub’s patented hair and scalp analysis technology called TrichoView. And I got to ask him all about it on episode 23, “The Creation of TrichoView”. It was definitely one of my favorite episodes. Not only did I learn about the evolution of HairClub, but I learned a lot about hair loss itself.

Steve Barth [00:02:01]:
You know, HairClub, really, to me, one of the big distinctions is we try to take a very individualized, personalized, and customized approach. So, you know, it’s very possible that a non surgical solution would be terrific for you or for me, but it may not be right for the next guy. And the purpose of tricovue was for us to be able to, again, you know, measure certain properties and characteristics of the hair and scalp and make a determination whether we were at a phase of hair loss that could benefit from hair and scalp therapy. And before you go ahead and take that step or you decide to take the option of a non surgical solution. So we became overnight a multiple solution provider and the only multiple solution provider at that time in the country. And I think that it just changed us completely. And I don’t think a lot of people that Think of Hair Club in the early days with Ze Sperling. They don’t really know what HairClub is about today and where it’s going and what the vision of the future is.

Kevin Rolston [00:03:09]:
Right. How many years are you in on Hair Club before Trico View comes into fruition?

Steve Barth [00:03:14]:
Me personally?

Kevin Rolston [00:03:15]:
Yeah. How long did it take for you guys to get to that level of business?

Steve Barth [00:03:19]:
I’d say about 25 years.

Kevin Rolston [00:03:20]:
Okay.

Steve Barth [00:03:21]:
Yeah. And maybe even a little longer. I had conceived of this from another experience I had in business where we were designing a personalized, individualized fitness program. It was way ahead of its time. It was ahead of AI. I was actually, you know, I became an investor in this software development, which was meant to take in information about your fitness health, about your habits, about your fitness goals and objectives. And then it was able to sort of generate from that a completely personalized, individualized and customized fitness and nutritional program and wellness program.

Kevin Rolston [00:04:04]:
Right. It was maybe seeing the physical and how that’s affected by your diet, your exercise, your sleep. Are you starting to see correlations and patterns where it’s affecting hair loss and the levels of that as well?

Steve Barth [00:04:15]:
Well, I think what that sort of brought to light for me is that HairClub, again, could distinguish itself by not only looking at the physiology of hair loss and the physical effects of hair loss, but also paying equal attention to the psychodynamic and the psychology of hair loss. So that’s really. I got a lot of that thinking from an investment I made years ago into this what we call fitness expert program, which was designed, actually, believe it or not, by my now cfo. I met him originally. He’s an MIT computer engineer, and he designed this. He was very entrepreneurial, and he designed this program, but it was way ahead of its time. This is before E-commerce. This is before a lot of things.

Steve Barth [00:05:06]:
And I became an investor. And I was also really intrigued by that because I was obviously very heavily involved with Hair Club at the time. And I said to myself, wouldn’t this be cool if we could take this concept and use it as a way of gaining deeper insight into the needs of a Hair Club buyer and being able to also pay as much attention to the psychology and philosophy of a buyer as is the physiology of the buyer? And that’s what Trico View attempted to do. That’s what it was conceived to do.

Kevin Rolston [00:05:42]:
It’s putting it all together.

Steve Barth [00:05:43]:
Putting it all together so that we’d be able to generate a really highly personalized, individualized and customized treatment plan.

Kevin Rolston [00:05:48]:
So when a person goes into HairClub, they’re going to have a different experience than anybody because they’re going to have their own unique set of circumstances on every different category that you have.

Steve Barth [00:05:58]:
Yeah, I’d certainly like to think so. And TrichoView is that sort of gateway into that because TrichoView gives that consultant the ability to gain a lot of information that he or she wouldn’t have if they didn’t have the use of that Tricle View diagnostic system. And it’s, it’s. So we set up a record. Once that’s done in consultation, I mean there’s no charge for that. It’s all part of the interview intake so that we could be, you know, better understand your needs. We then continue to keep these Trichoview records. So we continue to expose people particularly that are gravitating towards the whole hair and scalp therapy program to, we continue to load up those records with progress reports and profile photographs and things like that.

Steve Barth [00:06:48]:
Record keeping that is able to show tangibly the progress that somebody can make. But this also had its application, TrichoView, to even our non-surgical solution. Because by being able to gain deeper insight into the hair, we gain a deeper ability to be able to go out and get the hair that we need so that we’re able to make the non-surgical option so successful. So it has multiple ramifications.

Kevin Rolston [00:07:21]:
It’s not only one of my favorite clips, it’s one of my favorite guests. And if you haven’t, I recommend you listen to the entire conversation we had. This second clip I would say is probably the most mind blowing thing that I learned this entire year hosting the HairPod.

Kevin Rolston [00:07:41]:
Now, I was on a pill called finasteride.

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:07:43]:
That’s the pill for me.

Kevin Rolston [00:07:44]:
Okay.

Kevin Rolston [00:07:45]:
That’s what I was curious.

Kevin Rolston [00:07:46]:
Now what is the success rate on that? Because I was on it for probably 10 years and it significantly slowed my hair loss. But I just felt even after a decade that I still was losing hair.

Kevin Rolston [00:07:58]:
So for me, I don’t feel like.

Kevin Rolston [00:07:59]:
It was 100% effective. What seems to be the success rate on using something like finasteride?

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:08:04]:
So in my patient population I see 90% success rate with finasteride.

Kevin Rolston [00:08:09]:
Cool.

Kevin Rolston [00:08:10]:
So I’m the 10% that it does.

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:08:11]:
You are the 10%?

Kevin Rolston [00:08:12]:
Yes.

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:08:13]:
What can sometimes happen because of that is, is that there’s two different enzymes that convert testosterone to dht. And so the finasteride only blocks one of those enzymes. But for the majority of people, having that one enzyme is it blocked is enough to stop their hair loss. For some individuals we have to Go in and give you another medication called dutasteride, which can block both of the enzymes, and that can sometimes then take care of that extra 10% that you might be, you know, hair loss that you might be having.

Kevin Rolston [00:08:44]:
I’ve never heard of that. So if you are taking both of those, would that without a doubt shut down 100% or.

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:08:50]:
Well, you don’t need to take both because the finasteride blocks one, but the dutasteride blocks both at the same time. So you just need to be on the dutasteride. But the half life of that medication is a little bit longer and potentially side effects could be a little bit more severe if you got any with that medication. So I always start all my male patients out on the finasteride, how effective that is, and then if they still feel like they’re having continued loss or weakening effect of the medication over years, I’ll switch them to the dutasteride and see how that works.

Kevin Rolston [00:09:20]:
Okay, so talking to somebody like me, the damage is done and there’s no turning back the clock, Is that correct?

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:09:26]:
Correct. But we can help to prevent it from continuing to get, you know, worse. So did you stop your finasteride?

Kevin Rolston [00:09:33]:
I did.

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:09:34]:
Wrong answer. Because now even though you thought you were having some loss, you were still blocking. In my opinion, 70% of you know of it. So you’re still having maybe 30% loss, but 30% is a whole lot better than a hundred percent. So I would recommend at least going back on the finasteride or switching and going on the dutasteride because you will continue to have more hair loss if you’re not on a DHT blocker.

Kevin Rolston [00:10:00]:
Where were you 10 years ago, doctor?

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:10:03]:
That’s what all my patients say is, I wish I would have known this sooner.

Kevin Rolston [00:10:11]:
Now, I was no stranger to finasteride because I’d done it for about 15 to 20 years, and it did work. It really slowed down my hair loss. And I was hoping it was going to be my permanent solution. But I started to notice 10 plus years in, I was still losing hair at a that I eventually was going to have to do something else. But what I didn’t know that I learned right here on the hairpod, was that I really needed something called dutasteride. And this is where it all happened. A conversation I had with Dr. Phipps on episode 34, male and female pattern hair loss.

Kevin Rolston [00:10:45]:
Let me tell you, that clip is a complete game changer because like I said, finasteride really did slow down my hair loss. But I’M in that portion where I needed something else. Dutasteride. If I knew then what I know now, my whole hair loss experience would be radically different. So, look, if you’re like me and you are where I was 15 to 20 years ago, this could be a complete game changer for you. Another big revelation I had this last year hosting the Hairpod was just how much you can control your own hair loss by your diet. I never knew that it could play such a big role in how much hair you’re losing and how fast. And I had this revelation back in episode 24 with UK based trichologist Eva Proudman.

Kevin Rolston [00:11:30]:
It’s called Ask A Trichologist what is Causing My Hair Loss.

Eva Proudman [00:11:40]:
The first thing the hair looks for is protein and every day it says to the body, can I have a quarter of whatever you having? Now, the problem is, if you don’t have enough protein, it manages every single essential cell. And our very clever bodies will take all of that for the essential cells and your hair can end up with nothing from its nutrition. And not all proteins are equal. So let me give you some examples. So if you were having an egg for breakfast, you’d get about 8 grams of protein out of that egg. And it’s what we call a complete protein. It’s got everything in it that you could possibly want. If you decided that you would have just toast.

Eva Proudman [00:12:23]:
You won’t really get any protein because there isn’t any in there. And it won’t give you the things that build protein, the amino acids. And it’s those amino acids we need. So the sort of best foods to eat are your awful red meat, eggs, chicken, fish, turkey. All of those things are fantastic. Most of them are complete. And when I say complete, it’s about the amino acids. So our bodies use 23 every day and we can make all of them except for eight.

Eva Proudman [00:12:54]:
They’re called the eight essential. And you can only get them from complete proteins and diet. Again, the hair needs all eight. It would do. It’s complicated. So those sort of foods, I’ve just said, great, get those in your diet every day. Try to have protein at each meal. Try to have it in the morning, at lunchtime, in the evening.

Eva Proudman [00:13:15]:
The hair likes that consistency. Keep it well fed. Dairy is good to include. And then you come down to more sort of plant based. Your nuts, your beans, your leaves, they do have proteins in there, but it’s volume. So 100 grams of chicken, about 25 grams of protein, 100 grams of chickpeas, 8 grams of protein. So you can see when you’re advising somebody, you need to give them some ideas and some guidance on what to choose. Seeds shouldn’t be overlooked.

Eva Proudman [00:13:47]:
Things like sesame seeds, chia seeds, sunflower seeds. On average, a teaspoon of those added to a salad or into a yogurt or onto a cereal. 5 grams of protein. So you can sort of really work to choose the foods you like, but to make sure you get enough of them in the right proportions, that’s the best thing I can suggest for your hair. And then you plate, so make protein your biggest portion. Then you brightly colored fruit, vegetables, little bit of carbs, little bit of good fats. That generally is a balanced diet. And the hair will be happy with that.

Eva Proudman [00:14:24]:
So will your body.

Kevin Rolston [00:14:26]:
Would a trichologist sit down and give.

Kevin Rolston [00:14:28]:
You a diet that is good for hair health?

Eva Proudman [00:14:31]:
We do, we advise on, on what to try and include, what the best foods are, what they’ve got in them. We do study nutrition as part of our qualification. So we’re not nutritionist, as in, you come to us because your gut doesn’t work at all. But we know what foods are good for you, what they’ve got in them, how the gut works with it, how you absorb what they give. And so, yes, in my clinic, I have a reference sheet for proteins. There’s lots of things on there and they’ve all counted to make it easy for my patients to be able to go and say, I’m going to have an egg. I know an average egg’s about 8 grams of protein, so I know I’ve got another 42 to get in that day.

Kevin Rolston [00:15:14]:
What are we consuming that would be.

Kevin Rolston [00:15:16]:
Bad for our hair health?

Kevin Rolston [00:15:17]:
Whether it be foods or other substances.

Kevin Rolston [00:15:20]:
We choose to put in our body.

Eva Proudman [00:15:21]:
Yeah. So bad things are sort of processed foods. So when foods are processed and fast foods, we tend to use oils in there that are not potentially friendly. They can affect cholesterol and those sorts of things. We tend to put a lot more salt and sugar in. And if you have too much salt, it can build up around the follicle, it can cause the hair to shed. You can get a sodium build up. Too much sugar can imbalance what the body’s trying to do.

Eva Proudman [00:15:50]:
So you want to try and be as much as you can a cook from scratch, use fresh ingredients, type of person, the odd takeaway, the odd hamburger, the odd kebab, no big deal. But if that’s what your diet consists of, a, your body’s not going to be great, but your hair certainly isn’t, because Those foods just don’t give you what you need to get all of those processes working most effectively.

Kevin Rolston [00:16:22]:
So I think what you’re starting to see, just as we get our first three clips down, is that you are learning some revolutionary things that if you listen to no other HairPod this entire year, this might be able to solve so many people’s problems. This might be all you need. Now in clip number four, I love getting to talk with Joey Logano, not only because he is a legend behind the wheel in NASCAR, but also because he has what I have, a hair system. And look, when I got my hair system, one of my biggest worries was, will this thing stay on? So I did a whole series where I rode around at a convertible. I even stepped into a hurricane simulation machine and stepped into a Category 2 hurricane. My hair system, it stayed on. But I gotta tell you, I’ve never driven in a hot stock car. And that’s why I want to talk to Joey Logano about his own concerns and just how solid his hair system is at staying on.

Kevin Rolston [00:17:13]:
And this is all the way back in episode one. Alopecia doesn’t slow me down.

Joey Logano [00:17:22]:
Only in the beginning, I was nervous. Now I’m not. I’m not now because I feel very confident in everything now. But at first, when things are new, you’re like, I don’t know. Like, I don’t know about this Jet Ski. You know what I mean? I don’t know where I’m at with stuff. But you honestly kind of figure out your way your things go and everything, and you get confident and comfortable in what you got and it’s fine. But I’m telling you, and I asked a lot of questions before to a lot of people, I’m like, so that’s fine.

Joey Logano [00:17:53]:
So that you can. And they look at you like you’re an idiot. Like, yeah, you can live your normal life. What are you talking about? And I’m like, okay, well, I just wanted to ask, like, I don’t know. And it took. I mean, I’m being honest, it took a month or so before you, like, you get used to, for one, seeing yourself with hair, right? You look in the mirror and you’re like, oh, who’s that guy? Right? Like, it takes a second to get used to it, for one. And then also how to live with it. Just the way you live your life, right? Like all that stuff, like you’re concerned it’s going to change and do also, but it really just.

Joey Logano [00:18:24]:
It’s not a big deal.

Kevin Rolston [00:18:25]:
What is the temperature like for You. And how does the hair feel?

Kevin Rolston [00:18:28]:
Because you got a helmet on, you’re in a car. I mean, I know I’m in south Florida. So when you come to a Miami homestead, the temperatures in that car have got to be absolutely insane. So how breathable is your hair and what does it feel like when you’re in those extreme temperatures?

Joey Logano [00:18:44]:
I wouldn’t even know. Yeah, wouldn’t even know.

Kevin Rolston [00:18:46]:
Okay.

Joey Logano [00:18:47]:
Just wouldn’t like, honestly, like from you think, the conditions that, that I am in inside a race car, it’s 30 degrees warmer than the outside air temp. So when you have a 90 degree day, it’s 120 degrees in the car and we just. Shoot. We just raced in Texas. It was a hundred degrees outside, it was over 130 in the car.

Kevin Rolston [00:19:05]:
Wow. Nothing.

Joey Logano [00:19:06]:
I get right out and walk away. I don’t think twice about. I got other things to worry about when I’m in the race car. If hair is one of them, I don’t want that distraction. I wouldn’t want the distraction. It’s not worth it to me as a competitor. This is like, I wouldn’t even know. You know, I get out, I walk out.

Joey Logano [00:19:23]:
Right. Like, all I do now is I fix my hair a little bit before I get out of the car because I actually have.

Kevin Rolston [00:19:27]:
Yeah.

Joey Logano [00:19:27]:
You know what I mean? Like, that’s the only. That’s different.

Kevin Rolston [00:19:36]:
So if you can put on a helmet and sit in a car that is well over 100 degrees, sweating like they sweat, take that helmet off on national TV and I have any concerns, then I would say a hair system is going to be rock solid and stay on for about anybody out there. It really is just a part of you. And I chose clip number five here because I think this is going to benefit the largest amount of people out there listening to the hairpod right now. Now, I tried laser therapy. It was effective, but it wasn’t the only solution that was going to work for me. But for a lot of people, this is it. This is all you need. And its effectiveness is wide ranging.

Kevin Rolston [00:20:15]:
That’s what I learned when I talked to Dr. Phipps in episode 42. Laser hair therapy benefits. What exactly is laser therapy and how does it work at a scientific level?

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:20:32]:
So it’s actually what I like to call low level light therapy. So light wavelengths can penetrate different depths of tissues. And so they use blue light for certain skin conditions. There’s green light, there’s purple lights, and the red light that we use in the either LED or in what they call laser therapy. Is a particular wavelength that will penetrate the skin to reach the level of where the hair follicle root or cells are located. And what it does is that photo biochemically stimulates those hair follicle cells to function at a higher energy capacity. And if your hair follicle cells are functioning at a higher energy capacity, number one, they live longer. Which we want to fight the effects of aging.

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:21:21]:
So I highly recommend it for anybody over the age of 40, really, just to help prevent the hair follicle width or diameter from shrinking at the current aging rate that it is. And then number two, it helps to allow the cells to produce a hair shaft that can be as thick as possible. And a thicker hair shaft covers more scalp surface area than a skinny hair shaft. Now, this light therapy is not magic. It’s not going to regrow a new hair follicle that you don’t have. So a lot of times on these social media websites or on the Internet or on tv, they make people think or consumers think that they’re going to buy this magic helmet hat comb device and it’s going to grow back all their hair. And that’s misleading because what it does is it can only stimulate the hair follicle cells that are currently in your head. Now, where they can get away with saying it can stimulate or generate regrowth is sometimes you have hair follicle cells that are in follicles that are alive.

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:22:21]:
They’re just so weak that they can’t make a hair that is actually strong enough to exit the skin of the scalp. So with this photobiomodulation with the light therapy, it can maybe strengthen those cells so that the hair that it is still capable of producing can actually exit the scalp so that you can now see it.

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:22:36]:
So you do see regrowth of hair.

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:22:38]:
Shafts, but it’s not growing a brand new hair follicle. And if that hair follicle is dead and gone and the cells are dead, you can’t read alive it with light therapy or with any therapy actually.

Kevin Rolston [00:22:50]:
So when it’s gone, it’s gone.

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:22:51]:
When it’s gone, it’s gone. And a lot of people think light therapy is hocus pocus because when you apply these devices to your scalp, it’s not hot, it’s not cold, it doesn’t jiggle, it doesn’t wiggle, it’s not doesn’t hurt, it doesn’t feel good. And you just think, I’m just sitting here with this light on my head and it’s not doing anything. But that’s not true. It is doing something if it’s at the right wavelength that is penetrating the skin and stimulating the cells. And I explain it to my patients like this. If you go out into the sun, the wavelength of the UV rays of the sun will penetrate your skin and stimulate melanocytes or pigment producing cells in the skin and you’ll get a tan or it produce color. Did you feel it? No.

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:23:28]:
Did it happen? Yes. And then if you want to keep that stimulation to continue to produce the pigment, you go back out into the sun every day to restimulate those pigment producing cells with the UV rays of the sun and you keep your tan. If you stop going back out into the sun, the pigment producing cells stop producing the pigment and the tan goes away. So the same thing with a low level light therapy. This needs to be used on a daily basis to keep the hair follicle cells stimulated, to keep them at the energy capacity that allows them to have their longest life and produce the thickest hairs possible. So it is a daily therapy and it does do what it’s supposed to do, but it’s not going to be something that’s going to grow a full head of hair, but it is going to be part of a maintenance therapy that will, in the long run, help your hair follicle cells immensely.

Kevin Rolston [00:24:18]:
Look, you just got clips of five of my favorite moments from the last year on the Hairpod. But each one of these episodes is worth listening to the whole thing all by itself. And that’s why we provided links to all the above episodes in our show notes. Just click on the link and listen to each and every single one up. I hope you’ve enjoyed being on this hair journey as much as I have over the year 2024. And I hope you’re going to stay with us. And I can’t wait to find out what we learned in 2025. We have so many great guests lined up and so many important conversations that we need to have.

Kevin Rolston [00:24:49]:
But we don’t have these conversations if you’re not here. So if you took any time at all in the last year or whenever to listen to the Hairpod, thank you so much. We’re nothing without you guys. Have a happy new year and we’ll see you back here in 2025. Thanks again for listening to another episode of Hairpod. Check us out at Hair Club on Instagram or search HairPod on Facebook to continue the conversation. If you know someone who could benefit from hearing this episode, we would love it if you would share it with them. If you’re enjoying the show, consider leaving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app.

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Dealing With Hair Loss During The Holidays

Dealing With Hair Loss During The Holidays

Episode 44

Dealing With Hair Loss During The Holidays

Holiday Hair Loss with Dr. Phipps

In this episode of HairPod, we brought Dr. Phipps back in to share her knowledge with us once again! She came on the podcast to tell us how the holiday season can impact our hair, and what we can start doing now to improve our hair and scalp health.

Reducing Stress-Related Hair Loss

Hair loss during the holidays has a few culprits, but one of the main ones is stress. Sure, the holidays bring us a lot of joy, but the impacts of travel, hosting friends or family, attending social events, and gift-giving all add up. Dr. Phipps emphasizes that it is the prolonged stress we experience during the winter season that causes hair loss and not the typical day-to-day stress we all experience. Stress may not cause hair loss in everyone, but people who are prone to male- or female-pattern hair loss may see an increase in their hair loss during stressful periods.

Other Causes of Hair Loss in Winter

Winter-related health concerns can have an impact on our overall hair health. Many people experience more dryness during the winter (this, of course, will depend on your climate), and this can lead to dry and flaky scalps. If dead skin builds up on the scalp, it can become difficult for hair follicles to work in a healthy, normal way, so cleansing the scalp and even moisturizing it can help with scalp and hair health. Dr. Phipps also touches on how diet affects hair health – she says they don’t see many negative impacts from people eating a more rich or sugary diet during the holidays, but diet drugs after the holidays can increase hair loss in some people.

What to Do About Winter Hair Loss

If you want to make sure your hair looks healthy and full in all of your holiday pictures this year, but you’re concerned about hair loss, Dr. Phipps said it’s good to start treating your hair loss issues early. Of course, it can take a few months with certain treatments to start seeing results. To get you through the holiday season, Dr. Phipps recommends HairClub’s Xtrands, a process that weaves fibers into your existing hair to increase density and volume. The consultation to assess if Xtrands will work for your unique situation is free.

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Episode.44 Transcript

Dr. Angela Phipps [00:00:02]:

Well, if you’re struggling with hair health, you need to limit the amount of heat and chemicals that you put on your hair. And a lot of those Dyson hair dryers, they’re very high in heat and their wattage, especially the flat irons and the crimpers and all of the new barreling wands and stuff. So to tell them not to use those tools is an act of futility because we’re going to fix our hair and then to put on a heat protectant before you use those heat tools to give some protection to the hair shafts, you are going to use those.


Kevin Rolston [00:00:46]:

Welcome to hairpod, the podcast where you get to hear real people talk about their hair journeys. I’m your host, Kevin Ralston, and each week I get to interview people from different walks of life whose lives have been touched by hair loss in some form or fashion. Many of our guests have experienced hair loss themselves and found a way to get their confidence and their hair back. This week, we’re excited to welcome Dr. Angie Phipps back to the Hair Pod. Her episode about male and female pattern hair loss was so mind blowing, we had to get her back on the hair pod to talk about how the holidays can impact our hair loss and what we can do about it. As the holiday season approaches, we can look forward to spending quality time with our loved ones and maybe even partaking in the festivities with our families and friends. Whether you love extravagant holiday parties or prefer quiet gatherings at home, this is a time to create memories and cherish the people you hold dear.


Kevin Rolston [00:01:44]:

Let’s be honest, as much fun as the holidays can be, they can come.


Kevin Rolston [00:01:48]:

With their share of stress.


Kevin Rolston [00:01:50]:

From long days of travel and juggling family commitments to the pressures of gift giving and hosting events, it’s easy to feel overwhelmed. And while we often think about how stress affects our mood or levels, there are those of us who deal with hair loss and we think about how it impacts our hair.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:02:12]:

So when you’re under stress, your body produces a certain hormone called cortisol. And when that cortisol level rises, because your stress level is rising, your hair follicles are very smart little organs, and they recognize that change in that hormone level, and they’re afraid that that cortisol is going to attack them. And so to protect themselves, they will shut down. The cells will shut down and transition into the dormant phase of their life cycle and cause sometimes mass exit of shedding of the hair shafts because all the roots are shutting down trying to protect themselves from that rise in the cortisol level. So that’s bad news, but there’s good news in that that doesn’t cause permanent hair loss. Once the stress levels go down, the cortisol levels lower. Your body recognizes that the hormone levels are back in equilibrium. And then they have to finish out that dormant phase, though that which can last for three to five months.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:03:04]:

Before that, they will, you know, resume back into the growth phase and start to make the new hair shaft again. So the stress during the holidays or stress during any time will come back, but it’s delayed. So you want to kind of minimize the stress as much as you can because you’re going to have to wait for that new hair follicle to grow the hair shaft after it’s had to stay in that dormant phase that it got kicked in. And so it can take three to five months post holidays before the hair starts to grow back.


Kevin Rolston [00:03:29]:

Oh, that’s brutal. For five, five months you can set your hair health back just from the holidays?


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:03:35]:

Just from the holidays.


Kevin Rolston [00:03:36]:

It may not be the most wonderful time of year for your hair then. That is rough. Now tell me about what you see. Do you notice this in clients that come in in the new year and.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:03:48]:

Absolutely. January is one of my busiest months. Really, They’ve already, you know, people start stressing. I mean, I’m in my stores right now, it’s only October 1st, and for two weeks I’ve seen Christmas decorations. I’m like, yeah. Now it’s not only are we not celebrating Thanksgiving anymore and jumping to Christmas, now, they’re almost bypassing Halloween.


Kevin Rolston [00:04:06]:

It’s crazy.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:04:07]:

So the stress levels are starting even faster.


Kevin Rolston [00:04:10]:

Yeah.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:04:10]:

So by the time the holidays roll around in the new year, I mean, everybody’s just mentally and physically exhausted and so are your hair follicles. And so January is one of my busiest months for people coming in who just been exhausted and have noticed the decline in their hair health, as well as sometimes their physical and emotional health.


Kevin Rolston [00:04:27]:

Something else is stressful. Not only the holidays, but you have birthdays and things like that. Is this something that you see a pattern throughout the course of the year? Where do you see seasonal hair loss because of the events that, you know, we all seem to be going through?


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:04:42]:

Usually not birthdays. That’s not a big stressor. It’s usually Christmas time is the major one because people start preparing for it months in advance. And that stress level starts months in advance. And so it’s prolonged stress, typically, that will cause that reaction. Not just a little bit of daily stress. Because if little bits of daily stress, you know, made your Hair fall out, I’d be bald.


Kevin Rolston [00:05:04]:

Right.


Kevin Rolston [00:05:05]:

I hear you.


Kevin Rolston [00:05:07]:

So we know that stress can cause the hair loss. What about other factors happen during the holidays? For instance, a lot of times our diets go out of whack. Is that something that could affect hair loss?


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:05:16]:

Yeah. Okay, so, okay, October, people were thinking, okay, I got two to three months to get these last ten pounds off before the Christmas pictures. And you’ll go on crash diets or start using new medications and trying anything and everything to lose that weight. And it puts your body into a state of catabolism or breaking down. And your body recognizes the change in the homeostasis. And their hair follicles do not like to be in disequilibrium and they think that these changes are going to affect them, so they shut down and you can have shedding. So yeah, your hair follicles are very in tune to everything that’s going on in your body emotionally, physically, hormonally, weight wise, nutrition wise. And so you really got to, you know, keep yourself in check.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:05:59]:

Or you can have hair issues. And then if you’ve got the genetics for male or female pattern hair loss in your system and you compound that with stress, the hair loss can be exponentially even worse because you’re, you’re hitting it by two different mechanisms.


Kevin Rolston [00:06:17]:

Stress impacts all of our physical processes. This is a great reminder of how important it is to stop amidst all the chaos and enjoy the moment. It’s okay to recharge. Your battery, however, feels right for you, whether that’s your daily self care. Doing a favorite activity like journaling or reading, or even keeping up with your fitness routine. After all, self care isn’t just about managing stress. It also includes nourishing our bodies properly with festive meals and delicious treats all around. Some people choose to indulge, while others may become even more mindful of their diets and might even consider weight loss options.


Kevin Rolston [00:06:56]:

This led me to my next question. How do weight loss drugs and our dietary choices affect hair health?


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:07:08]:

There is a correlation between the GLP1 medications in certain people. Just like some women undergo hair loss during after childbirth and have a lot of shedding and some women don’t. Some people’s bodies will respond to these weight loss medications in a negative way and it will affect their hair. Now, does it happen to everybody? No, but it definitely can to some people. And you won’t know it till you try it. But just be aware that what you’re doing is. You could be sacrificing some hair health while you’re losing the weight.


Kevin Rolston [00:07:39]:

Wow. Okay, so lose weight.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:07:41]:

Lose hair and weight. So I don’t know what kind of trade off that is for a lot of people, right?


Kevin Rolston [00:07:45]:

I don’t know either.


Kevin Rolston [00:07:46]:

Now tell me about people who might.


Kevin Rolston [00:07:47]:

Be going the other direction. Maybe there’s some people that they’re like, hey, during the holidays, I don’t think about it. I pack on the weight, I don’t take it off. But you might be talking about foods that are sugary, are fatty, you might be having more alcohol. Is that going to have any kind of effect on hair loss?


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:08:03]:

Not typically, no. You know, unless you have other metabolic issues that are going on, like if you’re diabetic and your blood sugar is being randomly, you know, raising and raising and raising with these bad foods that you’re eating and not exercising, then that’s making your internal metabolism change and deteriorate. And your hair follicles then will respond to those changes with a stress reaction.


Kevin Rolston [00:08:25]:

Now, have you noticed any kind of correlation when it comes to climate and what might happen? Because as it starts getting cooler in most places of America, does that have any kind of effect on hair loss?


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:08:36]:

Climate change does not. Whether you live in the north or south, you know, especially if you’re talking about the genetic component, you either have the genetic sensitivity to the hair in the hair follicle cells for the hormonal changes or you don’t. Because if that were the case, no one would live up north because they’d be bald and everyone would be living in Florida and Texas. We’d only have two states in the country.


Kevin Rolston [00:08:56]:

Yeah, true.


Kevin Rolston [00:08:57]:

Yeah. For me, in the winter where I am, it just means it gets drier and.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:09:03]:

Yes.


Kevin Rolston [00:09:03]:

So my skin dries out.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:09:05]:

Yes. The people in the north do have to be aware of your scalp health because if the scalp gets drier, it can start to form a buildup of skin cells that can then kind of suffocate or smother the hair shafts and the ability for it to produce oil that your hair and scalp needs. And then that could. The same is true if you live in a really, really hot climate where you’re excessively sweating and you have a lot of oil production. So it’s all about maintaining balance, just as everything else is in life as well, with your hair and your scalp, keeping it at the, at a neutral zone so that it’s not too oily, it’s not too dry, just maintaining a neutral balance of scalp and hair health.


Kevin Rolston [00:09:47]:

There you have it, straight from the doctor’s mouth. Balance is the key to our scalp and hair health and balancing out our stress and our hair care regimen can help us hang on to the hair that we have throughout the holidays. But there are some of us who understand what it feels like to go into these family gatherings or holiday party situations and not feel confident because we don’t feel like we look our best. And for some of us, hair loss is that big looming insecurity. So I asked Dr. Phipps what people in that situation can do if they’re looking for a quick fix to help them get through the holiday pictures. Looking and feeling great.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:10:31]:

I got the perfect solution. And it’s hair clubs X strands. So they’re little micro hair extensions that are done almost follicle by follicle and they bond that to the base of the existing hair follicle with non weighted or damaging adhesive. And you can add hundreds of hair follicles to your existing hair to give you that instant volume, instant density, instant color that will make your holiday pictures incredible.


Kevin Rolston [00:11:03]:

Okay, there you go. The secrets to beauty right here and there. A simple quick fix for you. Now let’s talk to people that might be planning a little bit more ahead. Let’s say we’re talking about the new year. And I think it’s probably what you said to start things off was kind of an o yikes moment, hearing about how stress can help you lose your hair and how you see more clients in January. So what could somebody start looking towards right now? Because you got to be thinking about a couple things. What can I be doing on my own for hair health? And then when I try to repair? Because a lot of people look about their body, look about their looks and everything else, it’s a new year, it’s a new you kind of thing.


Kevin Rolston [00:11:42]:

What should they be preparing for for January if they’re not going to have the time or the money to focus on their hair now, how can they start thinking ahead? How would they save money, get themselves financially ready? Or what should they be doing with their diet or routines to make themselves at a better place when it comes January?


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:11:59]:

Yeah. So you want to definitely start taking care of your body in a slow but steady pace. None of the crash dieting, none of them, you know, and the medications, while they do work to lose weight, you lose it so rapidly that you sometimes lose muscle mass with that. And it just puts your body into a state of disequilibrium really, really quickly, which does cause a lot of fat dissolving and weight loss rapidly. But that’s not the Most healthy way long term to lose weight because of the negative impact that it can have on your other body systems. So you want to be prepared and try to think about just eating a well balanced diet, trying to get some cardiovascular exercise in two or three times a week and try and get in some weight training two or three times a week to try and increase your, you know, your lean muscle mass so that your hair follicles aren’t being affected by anything that you’re doing to your body by eating poorly or not working out. And then you want to make sure that you’re paying attention to what your weather is and giving yourself the time to do self care and make sure that you’re using a good shampoo, a conditioner, if you’re in dry climates, a leave in conditioner. Because you want your hair shafts and your scalp health to be as good as possible.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:13:13]:

And it takes time for those products to actually have an effect on the scalp and the hair. It’s not a magic wand. So you, you want to start several months in advance and just slowly do it and not expect immediate results. The key to anything being successful is having the right expectations and making sure that you’re giving yourself the time to see the results and not just wanting a, an immediate result. And then when you don’t get it, you jump to something else and you could be doing something more harm than it is good.


Kevin Rolston [00:13:40]:

Now let’s say you have somebody in your life, they are open about their hair loss, they understand it, they want a solution. And let’s say you’re a loving partner of somebody who is going through hair loss or just even hair care. What would be the top products that you would recommend to give as a holiday gift? Anything from a stocking stuffer to this is a little bit more of a big ticket item. What would be some things across the range of prices and sizes that you would recommend when it comes to hair care that you would give for gifts during the holiday season?


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:14:11]:

Yeah. So my number one gift from Santa Claus is a low level light therapy device. It’s a hat, it’s like a baseball hat and it has laser lights in it that you wear for as little as eight minutes a day. And that light will penetrate your scalp skin and photobiochemically stimulate the hair follicle cells to be as strong as possible. So that makes them live longer, it makes them produce thicker hair shafts, and it also helps the health of the scalp because it increases blood flow to the area. So that is a wonderful, wonderful Christmas gift to people who have either thinning hair from genetics or even just naturally have fine thin hair that you don’t might not necessarily have hair loss, but you want to just try and make it more voluminous and the best hair health possible. Now, it has a little bit of a price tag to it, but it’s well worth your money because it does what it’s supposed to do and it’s very, it’s not invasive and it doesn’t take very long to do. It takes eight minutes a day.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:15:10]:

You’re going to do something for eight minutes a day. You know, you’re going to watch a TV show, you’re going to scroll on TikTok, you’re going to do something and just put that hat on. And it’s a wonderful way to increase the health of your scalp and strengthen the hair shafts. And then if you’re having male and female pattern hair loss, a really great stocking stuffer would be Minoxidil. It’s a very inexpensive medical treatment that you can get from hair club that you could put into someone’s stocking to say, hey, I know you’re concerned about your hair health and you know, I want to help you. If you don’t know where how to get started. This is something that’s very inexpensive that you can do at home that doesn’t cost very much.


Kevin Rolston [00:15:50]:

Now, if you’ve been puzzling over gift ideas for that family member who has everything and you know that they’ve been looking for a hair loss solution to try, it’s worth researching these options and seeing if they’re right for you or your loved ones. This made me curious to know if there are any gifts Dr. Phipps would not recommend for people struggling with their hair health.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:16:15]:

Well, if you’re struggling with hair health, you need to limit the amount of heat and chemicals that you put on your hair. And a lot of those Dyson hair dryers, they’re very high in heat and their wattage, especially the flat irons and the crimpers and the all of the new barreling wands and stuff. So, you know, women aren’t not going to fix their hair. So to tell them not to use those tools is an act of futility because we’re going to fix our hair, right? So what you want to do is you want to make sure that you’re nourishing and conditioning your hair, leaving a leave in conditioner, possibly doing a hair mask, and then to put on a heat protectant before you use those heat tools to give some protection to the hair Shafts. If you are going to use those.


Kevin Rolston [00:16:57]:

Is there an alternative instead of giving something that might be damaging to hair that would do about the same thing that you have seen on the market or are you just danged if you do danged if you don’t kind of thing when it comes to Dyson and some of those big brand names that are big for the holidays.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:17:12]:

Yeah. I mean in order to curl hair you have to add heat to it. In order to straighten hair, you have to add heat to it. So there’s no tool out there that’s better than the other one. Other than here’s one tip you could do is a lot of those tools come with different heat settings.


Kevin Rolston [00:17:28]:

Okay.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:17:28]:

You can crank it all the way up to like 420 degrees. That’s just murder on your hair.


Kevin Rolston [00:17:34]:

Wow.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:17:35]:

You’re the layers of your hair shaft, but the hotter it is, the quicker it curls. So you can dial down that heat temperature to the lowest possible and then just take a longer amount of time to curl the hair or straighten the hair so that you it takes a longer time but you’re using less heat, it’s going to be less damaging to the hair. So just allow yourself more time to get ready so that you’re not damaging the hair as much with as much with the tools that you are using.


Kevin Rolston [00:18:01]:

Well, there you go. Everything you need to know about the holidays, the stress that causes the hair loss, how to look good in photos and the gifts to give. I think we’ve touched on basically everything you need to know about hair on the holidays. Always great Talking to you, Dr. Phipps.


Dr. Angela Phipps [00:18:15]:

You too. Thanks for having me back. Can’t wait to talk to you again.


Kevin Rolston [00:18:22]:

I hope our conversation with Dr. Angie Phipps has given you valuable insights into the impacts of diet and stress on our hair health and what you can do starting right now to improve your hair health. I personally am going to try to remember to breathe and slow down this holiday season so I don’t let the stress get to me. And I hope you can find some time to do the exact same thing. And if you know someone who can benefit from what Dr. Phipps share with us in this episode, please go ahead and share with them. You never know how much it could help. For more inspirational stories and words of wisdom from people who have been through hair loss or professionals like Dr.


Kevin Rolston [00:19:01]:

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Make sure to subscribe to the show.


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On your favorite podcast app. Thanks for listening to another episode of hairpod. Check us out at Hair Club on Instagram or search hairpod on Facebook. To continue the conversation. If you know somebody who could benefit from hearing this episode, we would love it if you would share it with them. If you’re enjoying the show, consider leaving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. We also have a website. Check it out by going to podcasts hairclub.com we’re here to build people up and share real stories so people experiencing hair loss feel a little bit less alone.


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Holiday Hair Hacks

Holiday Hair Hacks

Episode 43

Holiday Hair Hacks

Holiday Hair Hacks with Kevin Rolston

Ready or not, we are now officially entering the holiday season! In this episode, you’re going to hear some hair hacks to help you get through the holiday season. Attend holiday parties, work events, and all of those evenings with the in-laws with your head held high, even if you’re going through hair loss!

Hair Health – Cleanse and Moisturize

Hair care routines should be adjusted seasonally, so if you haven’t started your winter routine, let this be your sign. Many people struggle with maintaining enough moisture in their skin and hair during the winter, so adding a moisturizing shampoo to your regimen might be the answer for you. Keeping your scalp clean is an essential part of hair health and hair growth, so if you’re worried about thinning hair, find a shampoo that sets your hair follicles up for success. And don’t forget to stay hydrated! 

Add Volume and Texture to Your Hair

Thinning hair can be disguised in the short term by boosting the volume of the hair you do have – to an extent! Of course, it’s best to figure out why your hair is thinning and address the root cause of the issue, but if you have a party to get to tonight, calling your dermatologist or trichologist is probably off the table. In the meantime, using a texturizing spray or powder at the root of your hair can help create lift and give your hair a full appearance, even if it’s not as thick as it used to be. 

Styling Your Hair for Hair Loss

Your hairstyle can significantly impact how thick or full your hair appears to be. If you haven’t seen a professional stylist who works with clients with hair loss, it’s worth reaching out and at least having a consultation with them. They can help you choose a style that makes the most of the hair you have, and they can teach you what to do at home to achieve the look you want. Just remember, even if they teach you methods that use heat tools, always use them on a low setting and use heat protectant, as heat is the enemy of hydrated hair!

Minimize Continued Hair Loss

Hair loss generally doesn’t just stop all on its own, so you may have to take steps to hold on to the hair you do have. In Episode 034, we talked about using treatments to stop losing hair loss caused by male pattern baldness, so if you haven’t heard that episode, check it out!

 If you’re still in the process of figuring out what’s causing your hair loss and you want to minimize it in the meantime, many people have had success with using silk and satin pillowcases or hair bonnets (for longer hair) overnight to reduce friction, which ultimately reduces breakage and can help you keep your hair looking full.

Choose a Hair Loss Solution that Suits Your Needs

Hair loss solutions are not a one-size-fits-all thing. First, you need to understand why you are losing your hair. Then you can do your research and consult with professionals that can help you determine what solution is right for you. No matter what the cause, there are options for you that can help you look and feel amazing. If you’d like to talk to someone about what hair loss options are right for you, book a consultation free of charge.

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Episode.43 Transcript
Kevin Rolston [00:00:02]:
Make a plan for a more permanent solution. Now, there are options like powder concealers and hair fibers, which can actually help tide you over during the holiday season. But ultimately, winter is a great time to research regrowth options so that once the holiday craziness is over, you know what you want. So many people spend January and February trying to get their bodies in shape. Maybe for you, it's getting your hair in shape. Welcome to hairpod, the podcast where you get to hear real people talk about their hair journeys. I'm your host, Kevin Ralston, and each week we talk about all things hair loss. And this week it's just you and me, baby.

Kevin Rolston [00:00:53]:
And I'm going to take you through five hair hacks that are going to help you get through the holiday season. If you're a person that is experiencing hair loss, the holidays really can be traumatizing, challenging, stressful. Think about the parties you have, the new people you might meet, all those photos. And if you're sensitive about your hair, they always seem to capture the worst part of it. That bald spot just is so pronounced or somebody looking, laughing, pointing. You just feel so self conscious. Going to events sometimes means that you can't wear a hat, which is what a lot of us do to try to cover it up. So what I got for you is how you can go hat free during the holidays and not sweat.

Kevin Rolston [00:01:32]:
They're just quick tips all about getting you through the worst of the holidays and helping you look and feel your best in all those family photos and those awkward encounters with the in laws that you probably don't like too much. Hack number one, hair health cleansing and moisturizing your hair. Now for me, my whole hair scalp, it changes because during the winter everything gets all dry and I already have dry and sensitive skin. So typically this is a time where if you're experiencing less humidity like I am, depending upon where you are, you probably find your scalp getting dehydrated. It gets flaky, it's very sensitive. The easy hack on this is trying a moisturizing shampoo probably every other day. You don't have to over wash your hair. That's not good for it either because you can strip out all the natural oils and then your hair is going to be thin or flat.

Kevin Rolston [00:02:24]:
But that moisturizing shampoo will do a world of wonders for your scalp. Now, if you do have an oily scalp and you're worried about adding moisture, shampoos containing only like aloe vera may help you get the moisture that you need without causing more oil to Build up on your scalp. You can also clean and moisturize your scalp. Doing that is very important for the health of your hair follicles and hair growth in general. So you do want to make sure that you are regularly cleaning and moisturizing your scalp. Hack number two, styling and adding volume and texture. Now, we want to make sure that the hair that you have looks beautiful, healthy and full. There are good ways to do it and not such good ways to do it.

Kevin Rolston [00:03:11]:
You want to avoid heavy gels. That's going to weigh your hair down. And it doesn't look good often either. What you want to look into is some of the texturizing powders or sprays that they have today. Very effective. It gives you the volume and the lift that you want without making your hair feel all kinds of heavy. You can actually hold your head up high and look fantastic. Hack number three, switch it up with a new look.

Kevin Rolston [00:03:36]:
You know, there are certain styles that can actually make your hair appear more voluminous. If you part your hair, for instance, maybe just try parting it on the other side can actually make a world of difference. And also too, it kind of gives your hair a little bit of a break and a breather trying something new. You can also even try blow drying your hair with a round brush or maybe even going upside down. Just don't do that too long. Just remember though that you got to keep the heat as low as possible and use a heat protectant on your hair if you do, because heat can make your hair more brittle. Heat is the enemy to healthy hair. You also might want to consider going to a hairstylist and getting a haircut from a professional who specializes in working with clients who have hair loss.

Kevin Rolston [00:04:20]:
You always hear about smoke and mirrors. Well, the same is true when it comes to your hair. You can use smoke and mirrors and there's so many different tactics where you can hide your balding and look absolutely fantastic. And if you don't have time right now for a long term treatment and the holidays are right here, this is the best way to do it. So going to a Tru Hair professional, they can give you the right products and they can show you how to style it the right way. Wet. I go to hair club and they're experienced in all this kind of stuff. So if you have one near you, that's where I would tell you to go.

Kevin Rolston [00:04:56]:
Hack number four, you want to hold on to the hair that you have. So many people are worried about replenishing the hair, but still you're going to continue losing It So half the battle is making sure you keep the hair that you have. Now. Maybe you've heard of some of these end sear medical products like Finasteride or Minoxidil. Now, their products aimed at stopping hair loss in men. In fact, if you go to episode 34 of the Hair Pod, it's an episode with Dr. Phipps and she dropped a bomb on me because I was a finasteride client for 10 years and it really did slow down my hair loss. But then eventually it just caught up and I got to the point where I needed another move.

Kevin Rolston [00:05:40]:
But I didn't realize that I was part of the 10% of people that actually need the extra power of Dutasteride, which is another product that you can get. It's kind of a step up from the finasteride. 90% of you fine with finasteride. People like me, you need the Dutasteride. And if I would have gotten to Dr. Phipps years ago, I wouldn't have had to go down the path I did and it would have saved me. Unfortunately for me, it might be a little too late. That's why I love for you to find out about it right now.

Kevin Rolston [00:06:09]:
Get more information on episode 34 with Dr. Phipps and really pay attention to Dutasteride. If the finasteride is not working for you. Another name for Finasteride, by the way, is Propecia. That is more the name brand. I started with Propecia and went to Finasteride when I found out it was the generic version and it was about half the price for me. Now, other little ways to hold onto the hair that you have, you can actually use satin or silk. Believe it or not, this material is better for your hair because it helps reduce friction.

Kevin Rolston [00:06:42]:
Now, a couple of ways you might do it, you might want to get a satin or a silk pillowcase. Everybody sleeps with a pillow, I assume. And for ladies, this might work for you. Or if you have longer hair, they actually have satin or silk bonnets that can keep your hair from getting all tangled. And if you find yourself always working through tangles and brushing hard, typically what you're doing is you are ripping that hair out and the hair is going to come back probably not as thick. And so that's going to be a thing that's damaging your hair. The silk and the satin products can really help out. And doing both of these methods will help limit breakage.

Kevin Rolston [00:07:18]:
They're not like the cure for hair loss, but when it comes to a short term solution, they can definitely help and hack number five, make a plan for a more permanent solution. Now, there are options like powder concealers and hair fibers, which can actually help tide you over during the holiday season. But ultimately, winter is a great time to research regrowth options so that once the holiday craziness is over, you know what you want. So many people spend January and February trying to get their bodies in shape. Maybe for you, it's getting your hair in shape. And if you end up using a regrowth option like laser therapy or finasteride, the results only show up as quickly as your hair grows. So start early and you're going to be ready for next year's holiday pictures. Imagine that.

Kevin Rolston [00:08:12]:
No hats needed. Now, if regrowth isn't an option for you, or you prefer a little bit more instant gratification, you might want to try a hair system, which is what I have. You can walk into your salon that does a hair system, and you will walk out with the full head of gorgeous hair that you've always wanted. It is transformational, and for me, it knocked easily 15 to 20 years off of my look. Now, if you want to really pop, that's amazing. But you may be saying, okay, well, I can't just walk into the family for the holidays and I've got brand new hair. Everyone's going to know. But, you know, there are things that you can do if you go to a place like Hair Club, because the stylists there are used to dealing with these kind of situations, and they may find ways for you disguise the new hair that you have.

Kevin Rolston [00:09:02]:
Things like growing facial hair. If you're a man, you're a woman, I guess you could do that, too. They'll definitely pay attention to that more than they will the hair on your head. You can actually even try glasses, things like that. That just lets people know that there's something different about you. But they may not pinpoint that it's brand new hair. But I love the hair system and would recommend it for anybody that is to that level. But the important thing to know is that there are options for everybody that is out there.

Kevin Rolston [00:09:27]:
No matter what stage you're at, they have an option. No matter what your budget is, they can work for you. So those are five easy hair hacks. Thanks for listening to another episode of Hairpod. Check us out at Hair Club on Instagram or search Hairpot on Facebook to continue the conversation. If you know somebody who could benefit from hearing this episode, we would love it if you would share with them. If you're enjoying the show. Consider leaving us a rating and a review on Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app.

Kevin Rolston [00:10:01]:
We also have a website. Check it out by going to podcast.hairclub.com we're here to build people up and share real stories so people experiencing hair loss feel a little bit less alone. And when you share, review and subscribe, it helps us do just that. So thank you until next time.

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Laser Hair Therapy Benefits

Laser Hair Therapy Benefits

Episode 42

Laser Hair Therapy Benefits

Laser Hair Therapy Dr. Phipps

Laser therapy for hair loss isn’t new. In this episode, I meet with Dr. Phipps to talk about the science behind laser or low-level light therapy (LLLT) and what makes a great candidate for it. We also discussed whether there have been any adverse health effects noticed in people who have used laser therapy for years.

Low-Level Light Therapy for Hair Loss

What is laser therapy for hair loss, and how does it work? Laser therapy, also known as low-level light therapy (LLLT), uses a specific wavelength of light to stimulate the cells of hair follicles. Different delivery methods are available, including caps, helmets, and combs. The light therapy doesn’t cause any discomfort or sensation, which causes some users to think the light isn’t working. Dr. Phipps gives the example of the sun; the sun’s UV rays are able to penetrate the skin and stimulate cells to cause a tan because of the wavelength of those rays. Similarly, a laser device must use specific wavelengths of light to stimulate the skin cells. Typically, cheaper versions of these devices are sold online, so finding a reputable supplier is critical.

How to Use Laser Therapy for Hair Loss

Is laser therapy right for you? Laser therapy works by gently stimulating hair follicle cells, so in situations of relatively recent hair loss or thinning, laser therapy can keep the follicles healthy to produce strong, healthy strands. Each treatment is approximately 8 minutes per day, and much like the sun in the example above, it must be done every day, or the effects will wane (just as your tan will wane if you stop going out in the sun). Stopping laser therapy will cause hair loss to resume at the rate it was happening before LLLT was started.

Are You a Candidate for Laser Therapy?

Hair follicles can die, and once they have died, laser therapy will not bring them back or create new follicles. That’s why it’s important to consult with a hair loss professional to determine if laser therapy will be effective for your type of hair loss or thinning. As mentioned before, it also requires consistent use, so take that into consideration as you weigh your options. Laser therapy devices can be purchased for home use, as they are safe, durable, and easy to apply. Quality laser therapy devices can last a long time – Dr. Phipps shares that her father has been using the same laser cap for ten years.

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Episode.42 Transcript

Dr. Angie Phipps [00:00:02]:

I would recommend if you have a family history of hair loss, and you know this may be coming down the pike, go ahead and get on it. Anybody over the age of 40 is gonna have age-related hair shaft diameter thinning that I would recommend stimulating those cells with the light, but it’s gonna be most beneficial from a cosmetic standpoint for individuals who are in the early phases of hair loss who have generalized diffuse thinning, because if you’ve already developed a bald spot, the bald spot is not gonna go away with light therapy.


Kevin Rolston [00:00:45]: Welcome to HairPod, the podcast where you get to hear real people talk about their hair journeys. I’m your host Kevin Rolston, and each week I get to interview people from different walks of life whose lives have been touched by hair loss in some form or fashion. Many of our guests have experienced hair loss themselves and found a way to get their confidence and their hair back.


Today we’re gonna be diving into a topic that may have come across while scrolling social media or maybe you’ve just seen it when searching for effective ways of getting your hair back. This week we’re gonna be talking about laser hair therapy for hair loss, also known as low-level light therapy. It’s been making waves in the hair restoration world for years, and today we’re gonna get into the science behind it to learn whether it works, why it works, and who it works best on.


Picture this, a device that looks like a high-tech cap or a sleek handheld comb, emitting gentle red light that penetrates your scalp. There’s no pain, no heat, just light. This cutting-edge technology uses safe, low-intensity lasers to stimulate hair follicles, which can improve your hair health and growth.


You may be wondering, does it really work? Or is this just another flashy trend? And who better to help us answer those questions than hair transplant surgeon and star of TLC’s Bad Hair Day, Dr. Angie Phipps. She’s back on HairPod today to help us break all of this down.


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:02:17]: I’m glad to be talking about this topic because it’s in the forefront of all things TikTok, Instagram, and all that. So we need to educate people about it.


Kevin Rolston [00:02:28]:

I see so many posts on social media about these things, and of course they make them look absolutely amazing. And having been through it myself, when I don’t share the same experiences that you see on Instagram and TikTok, it really makes me skeptical. Now my question for people that don’t know and maybe haven’t seen the ads that are on Instagram and TikTok and the social media sites, what exactly is a laser therapy and how does it work at a scientific level?


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:02:56]: So it’s actually what I like to call low-level light therapy. So light wavelengths can penetrate different depths of tissues. And so they use blue light for certain skin conditions, there’s green light, there’s purple lights, and the red light that we use in the either LED or in what they call laser therapy is a particular wavelength that will penetrate the skin to reach the level of where the hair follicle root or cells are located.


And what it does is that photobiochemically stimulates those hair follicle cells to function at a higher energy capacity. And if your hair follicle cells are functioning at a higher energy capacity, number one, they live longer, which we want to fight the effects of aging. So I highly recommend it for anybody over the age of 40 really just to help prevent the hair follicle width or diameter from shrinking at the current aging rate that it is.


And then number two, it helps to allow the cells to produce a hair shaft that can be as thick as possible. And a thicker hair shaft covers more scalp surface area than a skinny hair shaft. Now this light therapy is not magic.


It’s not going to regrow a new hair follicle that you don’t have. So a lot of times on these social media websites or on the internet or on TV, they make people think or consumers think that they’re going to buy this magic helmet, hat, comb device, and it’s going to grow back all their hair. And that’s misleading because what it does is it can only stimulate the hair follicle cells that are currently in your head.


Now, where they can get away with saying it can stimulate or generate regrowth is sometimes you have hair follicle cells that are in follicles that are alive. They’re just so weak that they can’t make a hair that is actually strong enough to exit the skin of the scalp. So with this photo biomodulation with the light therapy, it can maybe strengthen those cells so that the hair that is still capable of producing can actually exit the scalp so that you can now see it.


So you do see regrowth of hair shafts, but it’s not growing a brand new hair follicle. And if that hair follicle is dead and gone and the cells are dead, you can’t re-alive it with light therapy or with any therapy actually.


Kevin Rolston [00:05:14]: So when it’s gone, it’s gone.


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:05:16]:

When it’s gone, it’s gone. And a lot of people think light therapy is hocus pocus because when you apply these devices to your scalp, it’s not hot, it’s not cold, it doesn’t jiggle, it doesn’t wiggle, it’s not, doesn’t hurt, it doesn’t feel good. And you just think I’m just sitting here with this light on my head and it’s not doing anything.


But that’s not true. It is doing something. If it’s at the right wavelength, it is penetrating the skin and stimulating the cells.


And I explain it to my patients like this. If you go out into the sun, the wavelength of the UV rays of the sun will penetrate your skin and stimulate melanocytes or pigment producing cells in the skin and you’ll get a tan or it produce color. Did you feel it?


No. Did it happen? Yes.


And then if you want to keep that stimulation to continue to produce the pigment, you go back out into the sun every day to re-stimulate those pigment producing cells with the UV rays of the sun and you keep your tan. If you stop going back out into the sun, the pigment producing cells stop producing the pigment and the tan goes away. So the same thing with a low level light therapy.


This needs to be used on a daily basis to keep the hair follicle cells stimulated, to keep them at the energy capacity that allows them to have their longest life and produce the thickest hairs possible. So it is a daily therapy and it does do what it’s supposed to do, but it’s not going to be something that’s going to grow a full head of hair, but it is going to be part of a maintenance therapy that will in the long run help your hair follicle cells immensely.


Kevin Rolston [00:06:38]:

How long would you need to do this every single day?


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:06:40]: Usually eight minutes a day. And you’re going to do something for eight minutes a day. My family members, you know, before we go to bed, we watch a TV show.


So, you know, when ESPN comes on, the hat goes on. Or when Real Housewives from Beverly Hills comes on, my hat goes on. Or if you’re going to scroll through TikTok or Instagram or Facebook or whatever, just put your hat on and be done with it.


Kevin Rolston [00:07:06] Dr. Phipps shared some great insights into the science behind laser therapy and the importance of consistency. Doing it every day really does make a difference. The steady commitment is the key to achieving visible results over time.


When you know how it works, it can help you set the right kinds of expectations if this is a treatment that you’re interested in pursuing. Yes, laser therapy can help regrow your hair. But if you’re hoping for dramatic results after one or two treatments, you’re probably going to feel disappointed.


The key to laser therapy is consistency. It’s got me wondering what kinds of tools are out there for laser therapy and whether they’re all created equal.


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:07:50]:

There’s different devices that use different forms of it. So it can be a baseball helmet hat, you know, that you wear. It’s real comfortable.


It’s just like a baseball hat. There are some combs that you can use to comb your hair with the light. There are some bands that you can wear.


There are some massage devices that have rotating heads on them and you can actually massage the scalp while the light’s there to stimulate blood flow and just feels good on your scalp. So there’s different vehicles to emit the light. But as long as it’s the right wavelength.


Now, that’s the key, because if you don’t get the device that has the right wavelength, it’s no more beneficial than you sitting underneath your, you know, your the lamp that’s on your bedside table, because that’s not the right wavelength of light that has the capacity to penetrate the skin and reach the hair follicle cells. So it needs to be in the wavelength, you know, pretty much between six and 700 nanometers of wavelength or six to 900 nanometers. So when you’re buying these things off of, you know, if you’re getting them off of Timu or some of those Aliexpress or Alibaba or some of those cheap discount websites, you have to make sure that in the description of the device, it actually tells you what the nanometer wavelength of light is, because if you’re not getting it in the right wavelength, it’s not going to do anything.


Kevin Rolston [00:09:08]:

Oh, wow.


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:09:09] And so usually when you buy your devices from a reputable medical company that specializes in hair loss, they’re going to make sure that the devices that they’re selling are the right nanometer wavelength that it’s going to actually do what it’s supposed to do.


Kevin Rolston [00:09:21]:

Are there a lot of places that are not legitimate that are trying to sell these that you’ve heard of?


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:09:26]: Devices, not places. So if you’re going to a place, a med spa, a doctor’s office, a hair loss clinic, usually those are reputable places that have the right wavelengths. Now, it’s the ones that you get on Amazon or TikTok shop or Facebook or, you know, marketplace or someplace that, you know, they may not disclose what the nanometer wavelength of light is.


And if that’s the case, then don’t buy it because you can’t guarantee that it’s going to have any effectiveness.


Kevin Rolston [00:09:53]: I don’t know if you’ve seen some of the ads. Some of the ones I’ve seen, the hair improvement is quite dramatic. Is that accurate?


Or have you seen some of these ads and you yourself can see and kind of spot the B.S. meter going off saying there’s no way about it?


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:10:07]: It’s the big B.S. meter. Those results, if you go from having no hair or extremely thin hair to having no scalp visibility, that is magic. And that’s not what the device can do.


Anything that looks too good to be true is usually too good to be true. And so as long as you know and have appropriate expectations for what this device can do, it can help stimulate the cells, make them as strong as possible, allowing them to make the thickest hair shaft that you can genetically make, which is going to be different from one person to the next and help your hair follicle cells live longer and maybe stimulate follicles that aren’t producing hairs that are exiting the skin of the scalp to now be able to produce hair strong enough to do that. You do get visual improvement, but not the wow, dramatic things that you see on the computer or internet.


Those are either internet generated, what do they call it? Photos?


Kevin Rolston [00:10:57]:

Yeah, or AI.


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:10:59]: Or they’ve used hair makeup or other things to help conceal the scalp in combination with the light therapy.


Kevin Rolston [00:11:10]:

Thank goodness for Dr. Phipps helping to deliver some nuance back into the conversation. So yes, low level light therapy does work in that it helps improve the health of your hair follicles. And if you’ve listened to the show before, you know how important scalp health is for hair growth.


So if your goal is to support your natural hair growth and see improvement, laser therapy might be a great option for you. But as with any hair loss solution, there are people who it works for and others who should pursue different options. So I asked Dr. Phipps who the best candidates for laser therapy are.


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:11:51]:

Ideally, I would start light therapy before you notice you’re losing your hair, because by the time you physically notice that you’re losing your hair and you see thinning, 50% of your hair density is already gone and there ain’t no getting it back. So I would recommend if you have a family history of hair loss and you know, this may be coming down the pike, go ahead and get on it. Anybody over the age of 40 is going to have age related hair shaft diameter thinning that I would recommend stimulating those cells with the light, but it’s going to be most beneficial from a cosmetic standpoint for individuals who are in the early phases of hair loss, who have generalized diffuse thinning, because if you’ve already developed a bald spot, the bald spot is not going to go away with light therapy.


Kevin Rolston [00:12:34]: Oh, wow. Okay. All right.


Now, where would you rank the laser therapy comparing it to other forms of hair loss treatments?


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:12:42]: I would put it second or third, you know? I mean, yeah, I consider the oral medical therapy number one. Number two, I like the minoxidil topical therapy, but I’m equally liking the light therapy in the same realm of my minoxidil users.


So I like combining the minoxidil and the light therapy together to give that cellular stimulation and increased blood flow because they work by two different mechanisms of action. So you put them together, you get a compound and synergistic effect because it’s not the same as just using one or the other and you get the same effect.


Kevin Rolston [00:13:20]: Now, is it possible that that could be what your lifelong treatment is? Just laser therapy and maybe some minoxidil?


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:13:25]:

Not if you have androgenetic hair loss, because neither one of those two therapies though block the DHT hormone that is the genetic cause of why people have male or female pattern hair loss because it’s hormone related. So none of those, either of those two devices affect the hormones. So the number one therapy is some sort of hormonal medication to help block the hormones that are affecting the cells.


And then the number two therapy in my opinion is then targeting the cells themselves to make them stronger. And that’s with minoxidil and low level light therapy.


Kevin Rolston [00:13:56]:

How do you know if you have that kind of hair loss? Is there a DNA marker test that you can take that will show that it’s in your system?


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:14:03]: You can look at your family history. Number one, if your family history is there, cause it’s an inherited condition where you inherit hair follicle cells that have the genetic sensitivity to hormones that the male and female body produces. And then there’s no specific test that you can go and find out if you have it.


But if you think you’re having hair loss and you might, and you want to find out for sure what the cause is, cause there are other medical causes of hair loss other than just genetics, you need to see, you know, your physician or a specifically a hair loss physician specialist to let them evaluate your scalp, take a look at the pattern of loss that you’re having. What does the skin look like and make sure that you’re having the classic symptoms of androgenetic hair loss versus something else that might require a biopsy to prove and then other medical therapies to treat.


Kevin Rolston [00:14:49]: Right. Are there any kind of side effects, any downsides of using the laser therapy for hair loss?


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:14:55]:

There is no downside or side effects that I have seen in my personal use, the use of my family members or my patients for using the low level light therapy. It’s not going to cause brain cancer. It’s not going to penetrate to the level of the brain.


It’s not going to hurt your brain. It’s not going to hurt your memory. And people have a lot of hesitation sometimes putting something on their head that’s so close to their either their eyes or their brain to think they’re going to cause long-term damage.


This is not a microwave. There’s going to be no radioactive signals that are going to be penetrating your brain or causing any damage. The wavelength of light only penetrates to the level that it can penetrate.


And the wavelength of light from the laser therapy or LED light therapy devices only penetrate to the level in the skin where the hair follicle is located and does not go any deeper.


Kevin Rolston [00:15:40]:

Now, are there going to be improvements in laser therapy that you’ve seen, or is it just when it first came out, it is what it is. And it always will be what it is. Or is this a technology that is improving and advancing?


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:15:52]: I think it’s been where it’s been for a long, long time. But I think, you know, with technology of any sort, you know, they’re going to find maybe be able to hone in on even smaller degrees of wavelength light that might be more beneficial for certain cells. So I’m not ruling out the possibility that it could get better, but where we’ve been right now is the same place we’ve been for a long time.


So I wouldn’t be holding out on waiting to get a light therapy device over the next one or two years, thinking that, you know, I don’t want to spend a whole bunch of money on this device. And then in two years, it’s going to be obsolete. You know, my father’s been using his same light therapy device, you know, for over 10 years that he’s been using.


So, and the technology really hasn’t changed.


Kevin Rolston [00:16:36]:

And what are you looking at for a cost? You mentioned different devices too. So if I want to go cheapest to the Cadillacs, what kind of stuff am I looking at spending to get into laser hair therapy?


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:16:46]: You know, for the cheapest you’re spending in the 700s potentially. And then for the most expensive that has the most amount of light diodes in the devices up to 3000 potentially. So it is an investment, but it’s an investment that you only have to purchase one time.


And then it lasts as long as the device will mechanically last and it’s worth the money. Now, here’s what I tell my patients. I don’t ever let you spend your money on devices that I haven’t already spent my own money on.


And I purchased two of these. So if I’m going to spend my money on it, I know it works because I’m the hair doctor. And if I’m going to spend my money on it, I’m going to let you spend your money on it because I know it works.


As long as your understanding of what work means, is it going to regrow all your hair and make you have invisibility of your scalp? No. Is it going to stimulate your hair follicle cells, making them stronger, making the hairs that are being produced thicker, letting the cells live longer so that from an anti-aging standpoint, it’s going to do all those things.


It’s going to increase blood flow to the scalp. It’s going to help the cells of the skin of the scalp be healthy. And there’s no downside to it other than your pocketbook.


Kevin Rolston [00:17:51]:

Okay. And you said that your dad’s lasted for 10 years?


Dr. Angie Phipps [00:17:54]: Yeah. So as long as the mechanical components of the equipment last, that’s how long it’ll last. So it’s a, it’s a good investment.


Kevin Rolston [00:18:06]:

Thank you to the incredible Dr. Phipps for sharing this in-depth knowledge with us and taking us through everything somebody would need to know before deciding if low light therapy is for them. From the science behind it to setting the right kinds of expectations. I’m glad we could share all of this with you so that you can make your own informed decisions about what hair restoration technology you’d like to invest in.


If you’re really interested in this kind of therapy, but you’re not sure if your hair loss is compatible with laser therapy, or if you’d like to pursue laser therapy in tandem with other treatments so you can achieve a healthier scalp and get the look you really want. We always recommend talking to a professional to see what your options are. If you’re interested in a free consultation with a company that offers laser therapy and many other options, check out the link in our show notes to talk to a specialist at HairClub.


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